Chinese Self Sustaining economic zone.....in Idaho?

[Tron_fdc]

Thanks to the trillions of dollars that the Chinese have made flooding our shores with cheap products, China is now in a position of tremendous economic power. So what is China going to do with all of that money? One thing that they have decided to do is to buy up pieces of the United States and set up "special economic zones" inside our country from which they can continue to extend their economic domination. One of these "special economic zones" would be just south of Boise, Idaho and the Idaho government is eager to give it to them.

http://endoftheamericandream.com/arc...of-boise-idaho

I really can't see something like this happening. The US is fairly protective in regards to their economic practises, so I can't see them letting the Chinese government set up shop in their backyard.

[CaptainCrunch]

Unless the Chinese open their markets more fully to American Goods, I can't see the U.S. government allowing this to happen. I mean its not like the Chinese would let the American's set up an economic sphere of influence in China.

[SeeBass]

I guess it is better than just putting bases in foreign countries.

I could just imagine the drop in employee rights and future Chinese lobbying for it.

[To Be Quite Honest]

Capitalism, so strong it beats itself.

[Hack&Lube]

Back when I worked at a land titles company (Preston Manning was on the board), I always found it hilarious and alarming how so much land in Alberta is actually owned by Chinese investors. Most people don't know about that.

That reminds me, I better go learn Mandarin sooner or later.

[HOZ]

Originally Posted by Tron_fdc

Thanks to the trillions of dollars that the Chinese have made flooding our shores with cheap products, China is now in a position of tremendous economic power. So what is China going to do with all of that money? One thing that they have decided to do is to buy up pieces of the United States and set up "special economic zones" inside our country from which they can continue to extend their economic domination. One of these "special economic zones" would be just south of Boise, Idaho and the Idaho government is eager to give it to them.

http://endoftheamericandream.com/arc...of-boise-idaho

I really can't see something like this happening. The US is fairly protective in regards to their economic practises, so I can't see them letting the Chinese government set up shop in their backyard.

Japan...deja vu! Like 1980 all over again. What is interesting is that the Japanese where spilling untold cheap "crap" onto North American shores. During Reagan's reign the congress set up tariffs to make things more level. So Honda, Toyota, etc...just set up factories in NA and just hired American and Canucks.

Lesson....
Toyota is now the biggest car manufacturer in history and they hire more people outside Japan than in it.

Go Capitalistic CHINA!!!!

[Hack&Lube]

Originally Posted by HOZ

Japan...deja vu! Like 1980 all over again. What is interesting is that the Japanese where spilling untold cheap "crap" onto North American shores. During Reagan's reign the congress set up tariffs to make things more level. So Honda, Toyota, etc...just set up factories in NA and just hired American and Canucks.

Lesson....
Toyota is now the biggest car manufacturer in history and they hire more people outside Japan than in it.

Go Capitalistic CHINA!!!!

The problem is that Japan was a capitalist, liberal, democratic ally. China is for all intents and purposes (or all intensive purposes as many CP members often say) a capitalist country but still a largely corrupt, oppressing, communist country with ambitions that may not exactly align with the western democracies of the world.

[_Q_]

In before the standard "I for one welcome our new Chinese overlords" post.

[Phanuthier]

Originally Posted by Hack&Lube

Back when I worked at a land titles company (Preston Manning was on the board), I always found it hilarious and alarming how so much land in Alberta is actually owned by Chinese investors. Most people don't know about that.

That reminds me, I better go learn Mandarin sooner or later.

One big one is Husky...

[Hack&Lube]

Originally Posted by _Q_

In before the standard "I for one welcome our new Chinese overlords" post.

My plan is to blend in and become an overlord myself once I get a couple mandarin lessons under my belt.

[CaptainCrunch]

Originally Posted by HOZ

Japan...deja vu! Like 1980 all over again. What is interesting is that the Japanese where spilling untold cheap "crap" onto North American shores. During Reagan's reign the congress set up tariffs to make things more level. So Honda, Toyota, etc...just set up factories in NA and just hired American and Canucks.

Lesson....
Toyota is now the biggest car manufacturer in history and they hire more people outside Japan than in it.

Go Capitalistic CHINA!!!!

And this is the thing, this Chinese plan for America doesn't boost employment, probably won't generate a whole wack of tax benefits, and allows China to get around the customs and tariff issues.

I would love to see a U.S. President stand up and say "Truthfully China, you need our money way more then we need your badly manufactured, cheap potentially dangerous goods, either open your market or well tariff the crap out of it to make Chinese goods more expensive then American goods in the States"

The Japanese at least provided some benefits to their trade, they created jobs in the States, and they to an extent allowed American access to their markets.

[HOZ]

Originally Posted by Hack&Lube

The problem is that Japan was a capitalist, liberal, democratic ally. China is for all intents and purposes (or all intensive purposes as many CP members often say) a capitalist country but still a largely corrupt, oppressing, communist country with ambitions that may not exactly align with the western democracies of the world.

Yes...kind of....Japan was turned into a (and those of us that have been here long enough laugh at it) liberal democratic "democracy". But they have freedoms which were imposed on them....

But that said Japan grew from rubble producing low quality cheap goods and now produce the best quality goods.

China on the other hand has risen from "rubble" recently. But they definitely have a different bent. Mercantilism? Without a doubt China is taking a page out of the playbook of past colonizers. Lack of democracy and all about profit.

[Kybosh]

Originally Posted by HOZ

.......China on the other hand has risen from "rubble" recently. But they definitely have a different bent. Mercantilism? Without a doubt China is taking a page out of the playbook of past colonizers. Lack of democracy and all about profit.

I just got back from China a few days ago. People in North America talking about the gap between middle class and wealthy elite should go see China. Holy man, talk about a huge separation between the haves and have nots. The rich are super duper mega rich and the poor maybe get a few yuan a day.

[CaptainCrunch]

Originally Posted by Kybosh

I just got back from China a few days ago. People in North America talking about the gap between middle class and wealthy elite should go see China. Holy man, talk about a huge separation between the haves and have nots. The rich are super duper mega rich and the poor maybe get a few yuan a day.

At some point you would expect that the emerging economies in China and India and others will eventually have to catch up on wage demands by their own people.

Of course a occupy China movement would be ruthlessly mowed down by the army.

[kirant]

Originally Posted by Hack&Lube

The problem is that Japan was a capitalist, liberal, democratic ally. China is for all intents and purposes (or all intensive purposes as many CP members often say) a capitalist country but still a largely corrupt, oppressing, communist country with ambitions that may not exactly align with the western democracies of the world.

You really can't call China a real communist country really either...it's much more of a one party system. Oppressive and under the official name of communist, but its not really doing huge amounts of communist policy anymore.

[Hack&Lube]

Originally Posted by HOZ

Yes...kind of....Japan was turned into a (and those of us that have been here long enough laugh at it) liberal democratic "democracy". But they have freedoms which were imposed on them....

But that said Japan grew from rubble producing low quality cheap goods and now produce the best quality goods.

China on the other hand has risen from "rubble" recently. But they definitely have a different bent. Mercantilism? Without a doubt China is taking a page out of the playbook of past colonizers. Lack of democracy and all about profit.

Not sure what you are talking about. The Japanese constitution was written with American input but it has been a stable liberal democracy for half a century. How do you "impose" freedom on people? You can only protect freedoms and liberties through legislation and enforcement. Part of what made the Japanese constitution so agreeable to western democracies is that it specifically imposed limits on the power of government, militarism, expansion, etc. in ways which are similar to what you will find in the Basic Law of the Federal Republic of Germany.

The majority of Japanese goods from Japanese companies are made in China now.

It's interesting to note that inflation has skyrocketed in China in recent years but their cost of labour is still largely nonpareil aside from India (which has a chance to supplant China if the inflation continues).

China is not practising mercantile or colonialism. They are not sourcing raw materials from colonies or other countries to turn into manufactured goods in China. They are largely one of the world's largest suppliers of raw materials while at the same time being the largest concentration of manufacturing infrastructure that holds a ridiculous balance of trade advantage over the rest of the world because Western capitalism naturally sought cheaper and cheaper labour which in the end, may undermine the United States. It's a powerful and leveraged imperialism under the guise of oppressive and corrupt one-party rule.

[HOZ]

Originally Posted by Kybosh

I just got back from China a few days ago. People in North America talking about the gap between middle class and wealthy elite should go see China. Holy man, talk about a huge separation between the haves and have nots. The rich are super duper mega rich and the poor maybe get a few yuan a day.

Yup...

300 million developing nation people living with 1 billion peasants in crushing poverty.

[Weiser Wonder]

That's where I went to high school.

I'm torn.

On the one hand, Idaho is beautiful country where things are more relaxed. I would hate to see it destroyed by over-development.

On the other hand, The Golden Horse Chinese American Restaurant in Weiser, Idaho really needs improvement.

[kirant]

Originally Posted by HOZ

Yup...

300 million developing nation people living with 1 billion peasants in crushing poverty.

It's an absolute mess if you visit the villages. The entier country is at a crossroads, where the young, healthy people go to the cities for work (that the government stimulates the economy into making to ensure they're there), while the old and the children stay in the villages. Went back to my old village with my grandfather a few years ago...he said it basically hasn't changed except for the addition of electricity into each house.

[HOZ]

Originally Posted by Hack&Lube

Not sure what you are talking about. The Japanese constitution was written with American input but it has been a stable liberal democracy for half a century. How do you "impose" freedom on people? You can only protect freedoms and liberties through legislation and enforcement. Part of what made the Japanese constitution so agreeable to western democracies is that it specifically imposed limits on the power of government, militarism, expansion, etc. in ways which are similar to what you will find in the Basic Law of the Federal Republic of Germany.

The majority of Japanese goods from Japanese companies are made in China now.

It's interesting to note that inflation has skyrocketed in China in recent years but their cost of labour is still largely nonpareil aside from India (which has a chance to supplant China if the inflation continues).

China is not practising mercantile or colonialism. They are not sourcing raw materials from colonies or other countries to turn into manufactured goods in China. They are largely one of the world's largest suppliers of raw materials while at the same time being the largest concentration of manufacturing infrastructure that holds a ridiculous balance of trade advantage over the rest of the world because Western capitalism naturally sought cheaper and cheaper labour which in the end, may undermine the United States. It's a powerful and leveraged imperialism under the guise of oppressive and corrupt one-party rule.

Honestly H&L you are right. The Chinese Gov't is a despot. But there are some serious parallels between them.

It's a powerful and leveraged imperialism under the guise of oppressive and corrupt one-party rule

Chinese Colonialism....Whoa... Sudan and elsewhere in Africa? South Asia intimidation. China is securing raw materials an sending people to work and stay there. So yes they are colonizing.......or are they just relieving the pressure at home? 1 billion people looking for work.

For North America I see this as an opportunity for them (Chinese) to get the hell out of dodge... Japan did the same thing to a degree too. There were movies made about how Japan was colonizing us. Long live sushi.

And seriously I am not belittling the threat that Communist China can pose. I just think they are cooking their goose.