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GirlySports · 06-03-2011, 09:27 AM

Dead.

I wonder who gets the assist?

YYC in LAX · 06-03-2011, 11:44 AM

+1

Hack&Lube · 06-03-2011, 11:57 AM

Euthanasia - everybody will do it to end the undue and terminal suffering of a pet. Why not extend the same mercy and kindness to your friends and family if they asked for it and you are given their consent?

chemgear · 06-03-2011, 12:08 PM

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Euthanasia - everybody will do it to end the undue and terminal suffering of a pet. Why not extend the same mercy and kindness to your friends and family if they asked for it and you are given their consent?

Because a several thousand year old document/belief system claims it is the worst thing you can possibly do and will condemn you to some sort of "hell" concept/location.

Kybosh · 06-03-2011, 12:18 PM

I find it interesting that he was completely villainized at the time he was practicing but now people seem to be much more accepting of euthanasia.

Calgaryborn · 06-03-2011, 12:47 PM

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Because a several thousand year old document/belief system claims it is the worst thing you can possibly do and will condemn you to some sort of "hell" concept/location.

Show me where in that document it says that.

Yasa · 06-03-2011, 12:53 PM

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Show me where in that document it says that.

Exodus 20:2-17

"You shall not kill/murder"

I think that falls in the same guideline.

Edit: BUT if that's the actual reason euthanasia is illegal, I do not know.

squiggs96 · 06-03-2011, 01:02 PM

I thought the thread would be about how Jack was starting to fill up with requests if the canucks won the Cup.

metallicat · 06-03-2011, 01:28 PM

You should all try and watch the HBO movie on him from last year. Great stuff.

Calgaryborn · 06-03-2011, 01:37 PM

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Exodus 20:2-17

"You shall not kill/murder"

I think that falls in the same guideline.

Edit: BUT if that's the actual reason euthanasia is illegal, I do not know.

Thanks. That commandment is talking about murder and you could apply it to suicide I suppose. What it doesn't do is talk about suicide specifically or hell.

Traditional_Ale · 06-03-2011, 01:43 PM

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Thanks. That commandment is talking about murder and you could apply it to suicide I suppose. What it doesn't do is talk about suicide specifically or hell.

Yasa · 06-03-2011, 01:45 PM

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Thanks. That commandment is talking about murder and you could apply it to suicide I suppose. What it doesn't do is talk about suicide specifically or hell.

I think the general opinion is that suicide is considered a mortal sin by Christians and Catholics alike. After some quick interneting, I found;

1 Corinthians 3:17

"If anyone defiles the temple of God, God will destroy him. For the temple of God is holy, which temple you are."

Which many people have interpreted it to describe the act of suicide, in amongst things such as drug use, sexual acts, etc. Unfortunately the whole "open to interpretation" causes a lot of grey areas.

Under the commandmants though, it would seem as though assisted suicide would be condemned and illegal by religious law.

metallicat · 06-03-2011, 01:50 PM

Who cares what God or the Bible thinks. Can we keep that out of a thread about Kevorkian? Who am I kidding, of course we can't.

Yasa · 06-03-2011, 01:56 PM

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Who cares what God or the Bible thinks. Can we keep that out of a thread about Kevorkian? Who am I kidding, of course we can't.

You're not going to get a good discussion soley out of the death of Dr. Kevorkian without bringing up the ethics of suicide, which would then have an offshoot into religious territories. Calgaryborn asked a question, and I tried to answer it. It's not like we're bickering or anything, and it is relatively on topic.

Calgaryborn · 06-03-2011, 02:02 PM

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I think the general opinion is that suicide is considered a mortal sin by Christians and Catholics alike. After some quick interneting, I found;

1 Corinthians 3:17

"If anyone defiles the temple of God, God will destroy him. For the temple of God is holy, which temple you are."

Which many people have interpreted it to describe the act of suicide, in amongst things such as drug use, sexual acts, etc. Unfortunately the whole "open to interpretation" causes a lot of grey areas.

Under the commandmants though, it would seem as though assisted suicide would be condemned and illegal by religious law.

Yes it is a Catholic doctrine but, it is not held by the majority of Christian sects.

The temple talked about in I Cor 3:17 is actually the local church. The "You" in "which temple you are." is actually plural as in "you all".

metallicat · 06-03-2011, 02:04 PM

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You're not going to get a good discussion soley out of the death of Dr. Kevorkian without bringing up the ethics of suicide, which would then have an offshoot into religious territories. Calgaryborn asked a question, and I tried to answer it. It's not like we're bickering or anything, and it is relatively on topic.

Yet.

Calgaryborn · 06-03-2011, 02:19 PM

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Yet.

Probably not at all. I only posted because someone blamed the Bible for the suicide laws. I don't see it in there. Sure some Christian sects do but, there is a big difference between dogma and doctrine.

Hack&Lube · 06-03-2011, 02:31 PM

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Yes it is a Catholic doctrine but, it is not held by the majority of Christian sects.

The temple talked about in I Cor 3:17 is actually the local church. The "You" in "which temple you are." is actually plural as in "you all".

That is your own or your denomination's own interpretation however. You cannot state it as a fact like this because the meaning is arbitrary and indeterminate. "you all" could just as easily be interpreted to mean that all people are god's temple. I know my protestant church taught that your body was the temple (continuing the made in God's image theme) according to these verses and was used to tell teenagers that using alcohol and piercing their bodies (and ultimately suicide of course) was a sin. Apologetics and exegesis only goes as far as the individual is going to accept something as fundamentally true in their own beliefs and scripture can be manipulated in so many ways to come to different conclusions hence the nature of religions being sectatarian and denominational. Most Christian beliefs, traditions, and practices are not explicitly written out in the Bible and are the result of interpretation and interpolation of various scriptures.

Your conclusion however that "temple" refers to the local church or congregation as a body or institution, makes the least exegetical sense when just on the next page I Corinthians 6:19 says "Do you not know that your body is a temple of the Holy Spirit?".

Not that I believe in any of this stuff anymore but I still try to figure out why people rationalize it and why it makes sense to them and shapes their views.

afc wimbledon · 06-03-2011, 02:34 PM

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Yes it is a Catholic doctrine but, it is not held by the majority of Christian sects.

The temple talked about in I Cor 3:17 is actually the local church. The "You" in "which temple you are." is actually plural as in "you all".

St Paul also says our individual bodies are the temple of the holy spirit so you can interpret it either way.

Calgaryborn · 06-03-2011, 02:46 PM

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St Paul also says our individual bodies are the temple of the holy spirit so you can interpret it either way.

No he didn't. It just often is misinterpreted that way. In the Greek the word "your" used there is plural and the word "body" is singular. He is talking about the "body of Christ" which is the church.