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Old 05-25-2011, 03:01 PM   #1
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According to Lockheed Martin Exec the PBO office numbers and the Liberal complaints were inaccurate.

http://www.torontosun.com/2011/05/24...ed-martin-exec

It also appears to have a larger benefit to Canada's aerospace industry

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While Burbage recently told Parliament’s defence committee Lockheed Martin envisioned $9.5 billion in work for Canadian aerospace companies as part of the global supply chain for the F-35, on Tuesday Burbage said even more work will flow north to Canada.

And Lockheed Martin’s estimates don’t even include maintenance of the aircraft over its lifespan, which Burbage said will be done almost exclusively by Canadian firms and could total more than $7 billion.

“As the program has become more predictable, and more opportunities have actually been awarded, the total value of the Canadian program has actually gone up,” Burbage said. “Our projections are we will exceed the plan that we projected in the past.”
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F-35 production on all three varients is ahead of schedule

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Lockheed Martin's Time to Shine: Lockheed Martin is 20 percent ahead of it's flight plan for all three variants of the F-35 strike fighter and 33 percent ahead of planned test points, Bob Stevens, company chairman and CEO, told reporters Tuesday. "There will not be another rebaseline of this program. There will not be. We understand that," said Stevens during a briefing at the company's offices in Arlington, Va. He said the company is committed to working with the Defense Department to get the F-35 program back on track. "There are early signs that the program is stabilizing," he noted. Last week, Senate Armed Services Committee leadership expressed concern over the F-35 program's estimated $1 trillion price tag (in inflation-adjusted dollars). That estimate is based on 2,443 airplanes flown over the course of 52 years with more than 50 basing locations, said Steve O'Bryan, Lockheed vice president for F-35 business development. O'Bryan said the company does not believe that the cost figure is realistic and is dedicated to proving the aircraft's reliability—better reliability would mean less lifecycle costs. "Let's see how we perform. I will feel more confident [citing a figure] once we have more than 10 percent of all testing behind us," said O'Bryan.
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Since I'm not a fan of the Conservatives, but I supported their plan to buy the F-35's I think I should get a free ride in one once we get them.
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you'd have to be strapped to a missile rack
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So will all this "contempt of Parliament" nonsense now go away?
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I guess that means more money for MEGA PRISONS!!!!
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So what's the scoop with these? Are they good jets, or will they be obsolete compared to what other countries will have by the time these are put into action?

I'm all for buying new crap if the old crap is, well... crap. But if we are going to spend a tonne of money, I think we might as well spend enough to get the good stuff (even if it is more).
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Too bad this didn't come out before the election, the Liberals may have been reduced to Bloc-esque numbers.
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So what's the scoop with these? Are they good jets, or will they be obsolete compared to what other countries will have by the time these are put into action?

I'm all for buying new crap if the old crap is, well... crap. But if we are going to spend a tonne of money, I think we might as well spend enough to get the good stuff (even if it is more).
The F-35 is a "fifth generation fighter". If everything about it is advertised it will be the best strike fighter out there. It will have air superiority to every aircraft except the F-22, which only the USA has.

So basically we can invade everywhere except the USA with it.

Russia, China, and India, are all working on their own fifth generation fighters, but apparently they suck. However, you never know what will actually happen once all these aircraft reach operation.

Considering that Canada is likely to use their aircraft for "peace keeping missions", IE: bombing less technologically advanced countries, the strike fighter is probably a better choice than a pure fighter.

Edit: Japan and South Korea also are developing "fifth generation" fighters, but they suck too.

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So what's the scoop with these? Are they good jets, or will they be obsolete compared to what other countries will have by the time these are put into action?

I'm all for buying new crap if the old crap is, well... crap. But if we are going to spend a tonne of money, I think we might as well spend enough to get the good stuff (even if it is more).
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Lockhee...5_Lightning_II

they were debuted in 2006 and are just now getting under major production, so i don't think you have to worry about them becoming obsolete
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So what's the scoop with these? Are they good jets, or will they be obsolete compared to what other countries will have by the time these are put into action?

I'm all for buying new crap if the old crap is, well... crap. But if we are going to spend a tonne of money, I think we might as well spend enough to get the good stuff (even if it is more).
They are great multi-role jets and the best purchase considering that the Canadian AirForce is a small airforce.
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7 billion?

Do you know how many cool pedestrian bridges you can buy for that?
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Although the situations are probably a little different, it is interesting that the OP's article came out one day earlier than this one:

http://www.winnipegfreepress.com/wor...stainable.html
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Good to know that these are quality items. It gets tiring hearing about how our equipment isn't up to par.

If we're going to send our people to fight wars, then they deserve the best.
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I still like the look of the F-18.
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The F-35 reminds me of a penguin sliding on its belly.
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Although the situations are probably a little different, it is interesting that the OP's article came out one day earlier than this one:

http://www.winnipegfreepress.com/wor...stainable.html
Its a little bit different when your buying 2400 jets as opposed to 65. and a while ago I did a calculation that the F-35 purchase is pretty close to equivalent in aged dollars to the F18 purchase.

And I'll take todays article with Lockheed Martin's executives over Alan Williams "I believe" statement.
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