"Liberals worse than the mafia"

[transplant99]

"AdScam makes the Liberal party the No. 1 organized crime gang in the country," says Lavigne.

"It's been pretty clear for a long time," says Lavigne, a best-selling author of several books about the notorious biker gang.

"In terms of being deceitful, it appears the politicians and bureaucrats involved in AdScam have hurt more people than organized crime ever has in this country," he says.

This should surprise no one IMO. The Liberal party has been doing business like this for decades, but were able to keep a lid on it with hush money to key people. This time it has gotten away from them.

"They (the Liberals) have hurt each and every one of us as taxpayers and voters by first of all stealing from us, but more importantly by undermining our faith in the political system," says Lavigne.

Even some of their own have had enough.

Edmonton-area Liberal MP David Kilgour is considering crossing the floor to the Conservatives along with several other Liberal MPs.

"If you draw up a thing to make people want to vomit, this is it," Kilgour told Bell on Thursday.

"You can mumble the line, it's about a few people, but there's really nothing you can say.

"The Liberal party is seen as looking on the public trust as a vulture looks on a dying calf. Here we are, a G-7 country, acting like a northern banana republic. What country is seen as more politically corrupt than us at the mo-ment?" Kilgour asked.

"Canada is no longer the shining beacon on the hill. We have fallen and the patience of Canadians is finished."

Good.

http://www.canoe.ca/NewsStand/CalgarySun/N...992781-sun.html

[V]

Yet somehow it makes sense to vote the criminals back into power instead of so-called "Christian Fundamentalists". Wrap your brain around that one.

[Hack&Lube]

Originally posted by Dominicwasalreadytaken@Apr 12 2005, 06:13 AM
Yet somehow it makes sense to vote the criminals back into power instead of so-called "Christian Fundamentalists". Wrap your brain around that one.

How is the Conservative Party gonna shake that image?

[V]

By getting McKay in charge, I would think. The image will stay the same as long as Harper is in charge.

[Flames89]

It is annoying we have a Conservative Party whose main agenda is gay marriage.

Give me a break. I could care less what people want to do - but help run the country goddamit!!!


edit to clear up some double negatives

[Frank the Tank]

Originally posted by Flames89@Apr 12 2005, 08:00 AM
It is annoying we can't have a Conservative Party whose main agenda is gay marriage.

Give me a break. I could care less what people want to do - but help run the country goddamit!!!

And god forbid we should have one political party whose main objective is getting our national debt under control. That'd be silly! But ya, the gay marriage thing....live and let live, times have changed, get over it.

[Resolute 14]

Originally posted by Hack&Lube+Apr 12 2005, 05:56 AM--></div><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td>QUOTE (Hack&Lube @ Apr 12 2005, 05:56 AM)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'> <!--QuoteBegin-Dominicwasalreadytaken@Apr 12 2005, 06:13 AM
Yet somehow it makes sense to vote the criminals back into power instead of so-called "Christian Fundamentalists". Wrap your brain around that one.

How is the Conservative Party gonna shake that image? [/b][/quote]
By winning an election and turning the federal propaganda machine against the Liberals.

Even with a Red Tory like McKay in power, the left is going to hang onto that tag because people are gullible. It is much, much easier to lie about your opposition than it is to push your own agenda.

And given the only thing the Liberals have accomplished of note in the past 12 years is an illusion, the Liberals just dont have anything positive to sell Canadians.

[Resolute 14]

Also, latest poll, according to Cjay this morning:

Conservatives: 30%
Liberals: 27%
NDP: 19%

The Libs have lost 7 points in a week.

[V]

Don't forget how strong the Cons were in the polls before the last election.

They mean squat.

[MarchHare]

Originally posted by Snakeeye@Apr 12 2005, 07:37 AM
Also, latest poll, according to Cjay this morning:

Conservatives: 30%
Liberals: 27%
NDP: 19%

The Libs have lost 7 points in a week.

Interesting to contrast that with the results from last year's election:

Liberal: 36.71%
Conservative: 29.61%
NDP: 15.69%

Based on those numbers, the Liberals have lost support, but nobody is going to the Conservative side. Those damn Easterners don't know what's good for the country!

[Winsor_Pilates]

Originally posted by MarchHare@Apr 12 2005, 07:27 AM
Based on those numbers, the Liberals have lost support, but nobody is going to the Conservative side. Those damn Easterners don't know what's good for the country!

So what is good for the country?
Liberals gettin booted aside, why would the Conservatives be good for the country as a whole?, and why should any Easterner of vote for them? For that matter, why should anyone anywhere who has jumped ship from the Libs vote for them?

[Resolute 14]

Originally posted by Dominicwasalreadytaken@Apr 12 2005, 06:40 AM
Don't forget how strong the Cons were in the polls before the last election.

They mean squat.

On election day they wont matter, but the opposition is watching these polls very closely to gauge whether they should topple the liberals.

[MarchHare]

Originally posted by Winsor_Pilates+Apr 12 2005, 09:53 AM--></div><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td>QUOTE (Winsor_Pilates @ Apr 12 2005, 09:53 AM)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'> <!--QuoteBegin-MarchHare@Apr 12 2005, 07:27 AM
Based on those numbers, the Liberals have lost support, but nobody is going to the Conservative side. Those damn Easterners don't know what's good for the country!

So what is good for the country?
Liberals gettin booted aside, why would the Conservatives be good for the country as a whole?, and why should any Easterner of vote for them? For that matter, why should anyone anywhere who has jumped ship from the Libs vote for them? [/b][/quote]
Heh. I tought my remark was so sarcastic and over the top that nobody would take it seriously. I'm not sure if it's because of your sarcasm-detection skills or the fact that my last post isn't too far removed from some of the other typical anti-Liberal posts on this board that you didn't realize I was being facetious.

For the record, I voted Liberal in the last election, and I'll either vote for them again or abstain (depending on the results of the Gomery Inquiry) in the next election. The Liberal Party most closely matches my own political philosophies; I'm not going to give my vote to either the Conservatives whose social agenda I disagree with or the NDP who I don't trust to properly run this country's finances just because "the Liberals need to be punished".

OT: I was also using the term "Easterner" as a joke. Note to people from Alberta: Ontario isn't "Eastern Canada". This minor and totally inconsequential point has been my biggest pet peeve since moving to Calgary three years ago.

[V]

Originally posted by MarchHare@Apr 12 2005, 09:06 AM
OT: I was also using the term "Easterner" as a joke. Note to people from Alberta: Ontario isn't "Eastern Canada". This minor and totally inconsequential point has been my biggest pet peeve since moving to Calgary three years ago.

Of course Ontario isn't Eastern Canada. There's no way Ontario can be eastern or western anything, since they happen to be in the centre of the universe.

BTW, I caught the sarcasm. It seemed pretty blatant to me.

[MarchHare]

Of course Ontario isn't Eastern Canada. There's no way Ontario can be eastern or western anything, since they happen to be in the centre of the universe.

On that point I was serious though. I'm originally from the Maritimes; you wouldn't believe the amount of times I hear people refer to Ontario as "Eastern Canada" or "The East" or whatever. All joking about the centre of the universe aside, Ontario is Central Canada; the Atlantic Provinces and to a lesser extent Quebec are "The East", and Saskatchewan/Alberta/BC are Western provinces. I'm not quite sure where Manitoba fits in...I guess you could make a case that's it could be both a Central or Western Province.

Nobody thinks Wisconsin, Ohio, or Michigan are Eastern states, so how is it that people here think Ontario is an Eastern Province?

[Tron_fdc]

So if all these high level Liberals cross the floor into the PC's, does the government policy actually change any? The PC platform last election was closer to center than it had been in recent elections, so will the sudden influx of rats off the sinking Liberal ship centralize it even more?

hmmmmm.

[MarchHare]

Originally posted by Tron_fdc@Apr 12 2005, 10:37 AM
So if all these high level Liberals cross the floor into the PC's, does the government policy actually change any? The PC platform last election was closer to center than it had been in recent elections, so will the sudden influx of rats off the sinking Liberal ship centralize it even more?

hmmmmm.

Huh? Who is talking about crossing the floor? And what is this "PC Party" that you refer to? Last I checked, they no longer exist (which is a damn shame, as they would probably have my vote -- as it stands now I have no choice but to either vote Liberal again or abstain, as I stated above).

[Tron_fdc]

PC, Conservative, whatever it's called. Too bad it's no longer C.R.A.P (canadian reform alliance party). That was kinda funny.

I heard there were more than a few high ranking Libs that are afraid they won't get re-elected unless they cross. It was on TV last night, and I can't remember the names.

[Cheese]

bleh...Liberals, PCs, whatevers...they are all the same. The only interests that any of these party's have is their own.
This story has been revisited every 10-20 years. We need the Rhinoceros party back again...at least they were honest about things!

They had all kinds of neat ideas, including:

- instituting English, French and illiteracy as Canada's three official languages

- tearing down the Rocky Mountains so that Albertans could see the Pacific sunset, or moving them one metre west as a make-work project

- legalising pot. And pans. And spatulas. And other kitchen utensils

- annexing the United States, which would take its place as the third territory (after the Yukon and North-West Territories) in Canada's backyard, in order to raise the mean temperature of Canada by one degree celsius

- declaring war on Belgium because a Belgian cartoon character, Tintin, killed a rhinoceros in one of the cartoons

- offering to call off the proposed Belgium-Canada war if Belgium delivered a case of mussels and a case of Belgian beer to Rhinoceros "Hindquarters" in Montréal (the Belgian Embassy in Ottawa did, in fact, do this)


"The party disbanded in 1993, when it chose to boycott that year's federal election due to new rules that deregistered any political party that did not run candidates in at least 50 ridings at a cost of $1,000 per candidature."

In 1980 they topped out with just a hair over 1% of the vote.

[Resolute 14]

Originally posted by Tron_fdc@Apr 12 2005, 09:47 AM
PC, Conservative, whatever it's called. Too bad it's no longer C.R.A.P (canadian reform alliance party). That was kinda funny.

I heard there were more than a few high ranking Libs that are afraid they won't get re-elected unless they cross. It was on TV last night, and I can't remember the names.

According to the Sun, five Liberal MPs are actively considering crossing the floor, inlcuding one of two Alberta Lib MPs - David Kilgour.