Anti-Pride Bus Driver Fired

[darklord700]

http://www.calgarysun.com/2015/09/11...hes-been-fired

Now this opens up a legal can of worms.

The easier way out for this driver is to talk to Calgary transit to arrange him driving another type of bus. And I do think this driver is making a public stand against the Pride movement due to his religious belief. But he should be protected under the Freedom of Speech doctrine, should he not be?

[metallicat]

Good. Take your bigotry elsewhere. You can bet the city did its due diligence before letting him go. The union would have been involved too.

And I doubt he was fired for free speech, but rather insubordination.

[Nyah]

Freedom of Speech is one thing, but if you violate your terms of employment on any grounds, including religious grounds, I'm pretty sure the company is well within their rights to let you go.

[Senator Clay Davis]

He didn't have to go straight to the media, he chose to knowing full well what would happen. This is not much different than the moron in Kentucky trying to relieve other religious people of their money to "fight the good fight" of Christians being "persecuted". It's obvious to non-Christians, but Christians will happily give their money away to "support" this guy.

Never mind that he probably drove many buses featuring ads that feature things that go against Christianity. Or that he's a government employee who doesn't have the right to push his views on others.

[Poison]

Originally Posted by oilers_fan

Good. Take your bigotry elsewhere. You can bet the city did its due diligence before letting him go. The union would have been involved too.

And I doubt he was fired for free speech, but rather insubordination.

Thats bigotry? Dont think his job description involved him being forced to drive or promote anything against his beliefs.
The way this guy got railroaded is disgusting.
He is just entitled to feel against it as people are for it.
I hope he sues the crap out of calgary transit.

[RW99]

His downfall was giving media interviews preemptively. He was never assigned to this bus and spoke out as a transit driver before it even became an issue. If I spoke to the media about something about my employer did that I didn't agree with but yet did not actually affect me, I'd probably get the same response.

[Tyler]

Originally Posted by Poison

Thats bigotry? Dont think his job description involved him being forced to drive or promote anything against his beliefs.
The way this guy got railroaded is disgusting.
He is just entitled to feel against it as people are for it.
I hope he sues the crap out of calgary transit.

You're what's wrong with the world

[Resolute 14]

Originally Posted by darklord700

http://www.calgarysun.com/2015/09/11...hes-been-fired

Now this opens up a legal can of worms.

The easier way out for this driver is to talk to Calgary transit to arrange him driving another type of bus. And I do think this driver is making a public stand against the Pride movement due to his religious belief. But he should be protected until the Freedom of Speech doctrine, should he not be?

Freedom of speech does not protect you from job-related consequences, no. If you go around your workplace openly being a bigot, you will get fired. The same should be true of this tool, even though he worked for a public employer.

Also, his terms of employment probably prohibited him from talking to the media about Calgary Transit related workings. And yes, being a twit on social media can cost you your job as well.

Dude wanted to make a futile stand, and got what he deserved.

[Poison]

Originally Posted by Nyah

Freedom of Speech is one thing, but if you violate your terms of employment on any grounds, including religious grounds, I'm pretty sure the company is well within their rights to let you go.

Explain how he violated his terms of employment. Im sure on a daily basis there asks to change routes for one reason or another. In this case he has every right not to have to drive this ONE type of bus.

[rubecube]

Originally Posted by Poison

Explain how he violated his terms of employment. Im sure on a daily basis there asks to change routes for one reason or another. In this case he has every right not to have to drive this ONE type of bus.

No, he doesn't.

[Poison]

Originally Posted by Tyler

You're what's wrong with the world

Enlightening response. Move along sheep.

[darklord700]

The article says the driver equates driving the Pride bus to promoting homosexuality. And that violates his religious belief.

My problem with this is as a society we are very tolerant to many different beliefs and religious beliefs, why should we not respect this driver's religious belief then? Where do we cut off the line?

[calgaryblood]

Likely was fired due to speaking out to the media and representing the Calgary Transit which is strictly prohibited. He has no right talking to the media and representing a City Of Calgary transit bus driver.

[OMG!WTF!]

Originally Posted by darklord700

http://www.calgarysun.com/2015/09/11...hes-been-fired

Now this opens up a legal can of worms.

The easier way out for this driver is to talk to Calgary transit to arrange him driving another type of bus. And I do think this driver is making a public stand against the Pride movement due to his religious belief. But he should be protected under the Freedom of Speech doctrine, should he not be?

Actually there's no can of worms at all. Your right to be a bigot inside the four walls of your church is absolute. But that ends absolutely in the real world. The shield can't become a sword. The ultimate bottom line is that you'd have to be able to prove that you were harmed by the rainbow bus and that certainly isn't possible to prove.

[Poison]

Originally Posted by rubecube

No, he doesn't.

Oh okay. Well that solves that then. Thanks for clearing it up

[shermanator]

Andddddd post #5 is where the thread devolves.

[ResAlien]

Originally Posted by Poison

Explain how he violated his terms of employment. Im sure on a daily basis there asks to change routes for one reason or another. In this case he has every right not to have to drive this ONE type of bus.

Would you be OK with him refusing to drive a bus that allowed black people on board because it was against his beliefs? I'm just curious where we draw the line for what's allowable bigotry and what's not.

[Poison]

Originally Posted by darklord700

The article says the driver equates driving the Pride bus to promoting homosexuality. And that violates his religious belief.

My problem with this is as a society we are very tolerant to many different beliefs and religious belief, why should we not respect this driver's religious belief then? Where do we cut off the line?

Now THIS guy gets it.
Its ignorant to believe one way on something but not another something is what is basically being argued.

[Senator Clay Davis]

Originally Posted by darklord700

The article says the driver equates driving the Pride bus to promoting homosexuality. And that violates his religious belief.

My problem with this is as a society we are very tolerant to many different beliefs and religious beliefs, why should we not respect this driver's religious belief then? Where do we cut off the line?

And there are ads on buses that promote drinking, sex, prescription drug use etc...Where was his issue on all of that? Many of those things are anti-religion. He's just a bigot who has a convenient excuse to hide behind.

And again, why did he go straight to the media? He could have handled this privately, but he chose not to. He had an agenda doing this, likely to get money from others.

[EldrickOnIce]

In my opinion, any employer should and almost always will be accommodating to a broad range of requests, including those that are against ones religious beliefs.
Taking this to the media first, instead of through appropriate channels, is a better way to get fired than to get accommodated.