Now...should he or shouldn't he have been convicted?
There's a part of me that says no, he's fine...but then there's a bigger part of me that says he shoulda been convicted. He sounds perfectly calm on the phone, and tells the operator he's going to kill the burglars, so would that not constitute premeditated murder? In my opinion, he deserves to be in jail.
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He was acquitted on the basis of a Texas law that says that you can use lethal force if you feel your life is in danger. I think he clearly didn't think his life was in danger.
I'm shocked that he got off actually.
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I'd say he needs to go to jail. He went outside, said he was going to "kill someone", and then shot someone. He wasn't protecting his property, he was looking for vengence. If he wants that job, join the cops.
I was a bit shocked too, but it is Texas, and lethal force is allowed, and should be allowed if you feel your life is in danger.
Now as it? Who knows. Just because he sounded calm on the phone doesn't mean he didn't feel threatened. Without knowing the background of the guy, its hard to pinpoint what his reaction exactly was throughout the whole situation. Just because you feel threatened, doesn't mean you scream and yell into the phone.
And for the other side of the argument....people shouldn't be robbing homes. Especially 2 illegal immigrants. That way nobody would get shot.
That's a good point...but it's almost chilling when you hear his voice. He seems perfectly calm and rational, then click click boom goes the shotgun...I guess Texas is an effed up place haha.
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That guy should definitely be charged with murder. The 911 dispatcher instructed him repeatedly to stay in his house and not get involved. He even mentioned that if the cops showed up and saw him running outside with a gun, he was putting his own life in danger.
Interesting point my wife made after she listened to the call: burglary does not warrant the death penalty -- not even in Texas. But by taking the law into his own hands, this ######bag became judge, jury, and executioner of those two men, and a Texas grand jury allowed him to get away with it.
That guy should definitely be charged with murder. The 911 dispatcher instructed him repeatedly to stay in his house and not get involved. He even mentioned that if the cops showed up and saw him running outside with a gun, he was putting his own life in danger.
Interesting point my wife made after she listened to the call: burglary does not warrant the death penalty -- not even in Texas. But by taking the law into his own hands, this ######bag became judge, jury, and executioner of those two men, and a Texas grand jury allowed him to get away with it.
Agreed.
Totally different story if it was his house being broken into of course, but it wasn't. Sounded to me like he wanted to kill some 'bad guys'.
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Horn's attorney, Tom Lambright, has said his client believed the two men had broken into his neighbor's home and that he shot them only when they came into his yard and threatened him.
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Horn confronted the men with a 12-gauge shotgun and shot both in the back.
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Reading the thread title, I simply assumed that Jpold and Jroc came out of the closet and have a love baby together.
Just because he sounded calm on the phone doesn't mean he didn't feel threatened. Without knowing the background of the guy, its hard to pinpoint what his reaction exactly was throughout the whole situation.
Was the dispatcher wrong to tell him to stay in the house?
What does "the background of the guy" have to do with anything?
Just because you feel threatened doesn't mean you are actually threatened. Far as I can tell, this clown wasn't in any danger. If he was in danger, he intentionally put himself in it, then shot two people in the back.
I'm really glad this guy went out and shot those two loosers. Knick-nacks, baubles and the sanctity of private property are so much more important than human life.
I'm really glad this guy went out and shot those two loosers. Knick-nacks, baubles and the sanctity of private property are so much more important than human life.
Was the dispatcher wrong to tell him to stay in the house?
Ah, no. The dispatcher did what he would always do in that situation.
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What does "the background of the guy" have to do with anything?
As in we don't know if the guy was prior military, a cop, or did security work where he dealt with these kinds of situations. Just because he was calm on the phone, doesn't mean he didn't feel he was in danger.
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Just because you feel threatened doesn't mean you are actually threatened. Far as I can tell, this clown wasn't in any danger. If he was in danger, he intentionally put himself in it, then shot two people in the back.
IIRC, he told them to 'not move' or he'll shoot them.
They tried to run away so he shot them in the back. Which, is....kinda strange I must admit. But, as far as I know, he didn't walk up to them and just shot them both in the back while their body was halfway through the window.
And I'm not trying to 'defend' what the guy did. I just know that the media has a habit of not telling the whole story.
Ah, no. The dispatcher did what he would always do in that situation.
Yeah. Was it wrong? He told the guy to stay in the house and not shoot anybody. Was it bad advice?
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As in we don't know if the guy was prior military, a cop, or did security work where he dealt with these kinds of situations. Just because he was calm on the phone, doesn't mean he didn't feel he was in danger.
I don't care if he "felt" he was in danger. He wasn't. He was inside his own house with a loaded shotgun and nobody was putting him in danger. The crooks didn't even know he was there.
Yup we need to find a way to protect criminals while they are committing crimes. They shouldnt have to deal with the fact that someone might knock them off...a union perhaps?
Yup we need to find a way to protect criminals while they are committing crimes. They shouldnt have to deal with the fact that someone might knock them off...a union perhaps?
Yeah. Was it wrong? He told the guy to stay in the house and not shoot anybody. Was it bad advice?
No, it was good advice. Whats your point?
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I don't care if he "felt" he was in danger. He wasn't. He was inside his own house with a loaded shotgun and nobody was putting him in danger. The crooks didn't even know he was there.
Pretty sure the law in Texas states that you are not required to refrain from using lethal force OUTSIDE of your own home if you feel threatened. And just because YOU say he wasn't threatened, doesn't mean that HE didn't feel he was threatened.
Lambright said Horn believed the two men had broken into his neighbor's home and that he shot them out of fear for his life when they came into his yard and threatened him.
No, you see, these two guys weren't people, they were criminals. As soon as you break into an empty house, steal some property, then try to run away, you've forfeited your right to life. In Texas, burglary and petty theft will get you a brief stint in the county jail if you're arrested by the cops, tried by a jury of your peers, and found guilty in a court of law, but if a random citizen with a shotgun see you, the sentence is death.
Man Kills 2 People That Robbed Neighbours House
