Tantra Nightclub gets Unfavorable Ruling - Calgarypuck Forums - The Unofficial Calgary Flames Fan Community

Ozy_Flame · 02-20-2008, 02:04 PM

http://www.cbc.ca/canada/calgary/sto...-scanning.html

Some bar star takes Tantra's ID scanning policy to the privacy commissioner, and turns out that Tantra is in the wrong. He claimed that it was collecting personal information.

IMO, this is not a good precedent to set. As someone who doesn't cause violence at bars, I would prefer to see them use this system, even if it includes scanning personal information. A sacrifice I'm willing to make to keep troublemakers and re-offenders from ruining my good time.

troutman · 02-20-2008, 02:32 PM

Rule of thumb - what is bad for nightclubs = good for the rest of us

RougeUnderoos · 02-20-2008, 02:42 PM

I didn't even know they did this. Do they make women do it?

I don't see what is wrong with the practice. If you can't trust the staff at a nightclub with your private information, who can you trust?

J pold · 02-20-2008, 02:44 PM

Unfavorable + Tantra = Good

fredr123 · 02-20-2008, 02:45 PM

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Originally Posted by Ozy_Flame

http://www.cbc.ca/canada/calgary/sto...-scanning.html

Some bar star takes Tantra's ID scanning policy to the privacy commissioner, and turns out that Tantra is in the wrong. He claimed that it was collecting personal information.

IMO, this is not a good precedent to set. As someone who doesn't cause violence at bars, I would prefer to see them use this system, even if it includes scanning personal information. A sacrifice I'm willing to make to keep troublemakers and re-offenders from ruining my good time.

I went to school with that "bar star" and count him among the more intelligent and reasonable of all my acquaintances.

Regardless, the article itself says that Tantra did not provide evidence that scanning ID and keeping that personal information is in anyway a deterrent to violent behaviour. I tend to agree.

For fun, you can check out this old thread started when the complaint was first brought forward.

Ozy_Flame · 02-20-2008, 02:45 PM

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I don't see what is wrong with the practice. If you can't trust the staff at a nightclub with your private information, who can you trust?

Haha...A little good-humored sarcasm is always fun!

However, I would say that Penny Lane Entertainment would be the ones responsible for possible identity theft from the SecureClub system, of which I cannot think of an incident where someone in Calgary has been victim of identity theft from this.

Paul Vickers is a tool, but he's not a criminal.

rubecube · 02-20-2008, 02:47 PM

Isn't Tantra a Vickers establishment? If so, good stuff.

Ozy_Flame · 02-20-2008, 02:49 PM

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He's not a convicted criminal.

I'd think I'd be more weary of a system employed at a place like the Cecil, where some jockstrap threatens to pound your head in if you don't give him your wallet and ID cards. There could be worse out there.

I guess I'm just not seeing the 'malicious intent' of Penny Lane Entertainment to collect people's information. Rather, it's a deterrent.

rubecube · 02-20-2008, 02:51 PM

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I guess I'm just not seeing the 'malicious intent' of Penny Lane Entertainment to collect people's information. Rather, it's a deterrent.

Until you a get a bill for a line of credit in your name that has been used to purchase 20 silicone implants.

Ozy_Flame · 02-20-2008, 02:53 PM

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I went to school with that "bar star" and count him among the more intelligent and reasonable of all my acquaintances.

Wasn't implying a lack of intelligence. It takes some gusto to go after Tantra like that. Good on him.

Knut · 02-20-2008, 02:54 PM

I generally feel safer in the bar when there is a lot of security.... i do not need some guy stabbing me because i looked at him the wrong way.

Regardless... i hate that place, so i do not party there.

RougeUnderoos · 02-20-2008, 02:55 PM

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Originally Posted by Ozy_Flame

Haha...A little good-humored sarcasm is always fun!

However, I would say that Penny Lane Entertainment would be the ones responsible for possible identity theft from the SecureClub system, of which I cannot think of an incident where someone in Calgary has been victim of identity theft from this.

Paul Vickers is a tool, but he's not a criminal.

Vickers isn't the one running the machine though. Guys who were hired based on their ability to beat people up and look intimidating are running it.

Rhettzky · 02-20-2008, 02:59 PM

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I'd think I'd be more weary of a system employed at a place like the Cecil, where some jockstrap threatens to pound your head in if you don't give him your wallet and ID cards. There could be worse out there.

I guess I'm just not seeing the 'malicious intent' of Penny Lane Entertainment to collect people's information. Rather, it's a deterrent.

I agree, we used the same system at the den when I worked there and it was pretty handy for door staff to be able to put notes on peoples files. Stuff like "smashed a beer bottle over a guys head last saturday" and "stole the tip jar" help to know who to keep an eye on.

What isn't helpful is when your doorman buddy puts a note on your ID without you realizing. I still have no idea what it was but doormen at lots of clubs used to grin whenever they scanned it.

fredr123 · 02-20-2008, 03:01 PM

Perhaps someone on here knows the answer. Let's say Johnny Big Muscles gets all mad at Some Other ###### and a violent incident occurs. JBM beats up SOD outside the bar or something. How does the information that JBM and SOD were involved in violence get entered into the SecureClub system?

Do they get that information from the police? What if the offenders aren't caught?

Suppose JBM is arrested for assault and that information is provided to SecureClub. I bet SOD feels secure in knowing he won't get beat up another time by JBM in a club around town that subscribes to the system.

Ozy_Flame · 02-20-2008, 03:13 PM

Well what about a system that's also tied into Police records? That way, there's some more credibility to the system, and police can help track down re-offending criminals who choose to enter the bars again.

fredr123 · 02-20-2008, 03:15 PM

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Well what about a system that's also tied into Police records? That way, there's some more credibility to the system, and police can help track down re-offending criminals who choose to enter the bars again.

They should tie it into Canada Revenue Agency's records too. That way, they can keep out the riff raff who only buy a couple drinks the whole night.

Ozy_Flame · 02-20-2008, 03:21 PM

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They should tie it into Canada Revenue Agency's records too. That way, they can keep out the riff raff who only buy a couple drinks the whole night.

Actually, tax-deductible drinks as an incentive to not get rowdy in bars.

Rhettzky · 02-20-2008, 03:24 PM

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They should tie it into Canada Revenue Agency's records too. That way, they can keep out the riff raff who only buy a couple drinks the whole night.

...and Health Canada to bar people that don't wash their hands after going to the washroom. The possibilities are endless!!

Bobblehead · 02-20-2008, 03:37 PM

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...and Health Canada to bar people that don't wash their hands after going to the washroom. The possibilities are endless!!

Or so the bouncers can hand out penicillin on the way out the door.

Sidney Crosby's Hat · 02-20-2008, 03:47 PM

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They should tie it into Canada Revenue Agency's records too. That way, they can keep out the riff raff who only buy a couple drinks the whole night.

Yeah, they especially need to punt the freeloading designated drivers.