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habernac · 10-01-2008, 04:30 PM

"A young man asked me what I think of homosexual marriages and I said I think homosexuals should be executed," he said. "My whole reason for running is the Bible and the Bible couldn't be more clear on that point." Candidates and teachers looked on in silence as students called for him to be "cut off." Despite their outrage, the discussion moved to other topics.

http://cnews.canoe.ca/CNEWS/Canada/C...41636-sun.html

burn_this_city · 10-01-2008, 04:32 PM

The principal should be fired for failing to intelligently screen the debaters.

MarchHare · 10-01-2008, 04:41 PM

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Originally Posted by burn_this_city

The principal should be fired for failing to intelligently screen the debaters.

Why?

His name is on the ballot, and thus there is no reason not to allow his participate in an all-candidates debate hosted by the high school. Thankfully, from the report, the students overwhelmingly rejected his bigoted and hateful views.

arsenal · 10-01-2008, 04:45 PM

He is clearly aloud to have his opinion. If you do not agree with his opinion, then just ignore him.
That's the whole point of being a free and open society.

Boblobla · 10-01-2008, 04:47 PM

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Originally Posted by arsenal

He is clearly aloud to have his opinion. If you do not agree with his opinion, then just ignore him.
That's the whole point of being a free and open society.

Agreed.

atb · 10-01-2008, 04:48 PM

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Originally Posted by arsenal

He is clearly aloud to have his opinion. If you do not agree with his opinion, then just ignore him.
That's the whole point of being a free and open society.

Isn't inciting violence based on gender/racial/sexual orientation a crime? I think it's one thing to be opposed to gay marriage, it's an entirely different thing to suggest gays should be executed..

Boblobla · 10-01-2008, 04:51 PM

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Originally Posted by atb112

Isn't inciting violence based on gender/racial/sexual orientation a crime? I think it's one thing to be opposed to gay marriage, it's an entirely different thing to suggest gays should be executed..

They did say in the article that the police were investigating. I really doubt that any charges will be laid.

RougeUnderoos · 10-01-2008, 04:57 PM

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Originally Posted by arsenal

He is clearly aloud to have his opinion. If you do not agree with his opinion, then just ignore him.
That's the whole point of being a free and open society.

Calling for the execution of a group of people while addressing a crowd is more than "having an opinion".

If this dimwitted biblethumper thinks we should execute homosexuals he's welcome to believe it all he wants, but you can't just let people advocate genocide willy-nilly.

mgsimpleton · 10-01-2008, 04:58 PM

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Originally Posted by arsenal

He is clearly aloud to have his opinion. If you do not agree with his opinion, then just ignore him.
That's the whole point of being a free and open society.

If he said that black/asian/white/tall people should be executed, what then?

peter12 · 10-01-2008, 04:58 PM

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Originally Posted by RougeUnderoos

Calling for the execution of a group of people while addressing a crowd is more than "having an opinion".

If this dimwitted biblethumper thinks we should execute homosexuals he's welcome to believe it all he wants, but you can't just let people advocate genocide willy-nilly.

Yes, you can. You just do your part to shout him down and make him look like as big a fool as possible. Not hard, considering.

arsenal · 10-01-2008, 04:59 PM

Spreading hate and violence through speech, text, etc, isn't a crime. Nor should it be. It takes one type of person to say that stuff. It takes a totally different type to actually follow through on what you are saying or writing.

But I am not saying that he shouldn't be on a watch list, or that he shouldn't be questioned about any hate crimes that have been committed, for connections etc.

Dartem · 10-01-2008, 04:59 PM

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Originally Posted by atb112

Isn't inciting violence based on gender/racial/sexual orientation a crime? I think it's one thing to be opposed to gay marriage, it's an entirely different thing to suggest gays should be executed..

He wasnt asking people to go out and kill a gay person. As stupid as his opinion is, its just that - an opinion and he is entitled to it.

peter12 · 10-01-2008, 05:01 PM

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Originally Posted by Dartem

He wasnt asking people to go out and kill a gay person. As stupid as his opinion is, its just that - an opinion and he is entitled to it.

He's entitled to it, but the other side of the coin is we are just as entitled to belittle and offend him for having that opinion.

Dartem · 10-01-2008, 05:02 PM

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Originally Posted by peter12

He's entitled to it, but the other side of the coin is we are just as entitled to belittle and offend him for having that opinion.

Yes you are entitled to that. But its not a crime. Otherwise we start getting into the Thought Police debate

arsenal · 10-01-2008, 05:02 PM

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Originally Posted by peter12

He's entitled to it, but the other side of the coin is we are just as entitled to belittle and offend him for having that opinion.

Exactly. It's up the rest of the society to keep people like this in check. By not giving them power, by questioning their views, and challenging them on it.

jolinar of malkshor · 10-01-2008, 05:06 PM

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Originally Posted by arsenal

He is clearly aloud to have his opinion. If you do not agree with his opinion, then just ignore him.
That's the whole point of being a free and open society.

Also agreed. What goes around comes around and people like this are really just scum bags. That doesn't mean we censor their opinions.

peter12 · 10-01-2008, 05:09 PM

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Originally Posted by arsenal

Exactly. It's up the rest of the society to keep people like this in check. By not giving them power, by questioning their views, and challenging them on it.

Yeah, exactly. It is not the government's job to censor or to actively delete what people are thinking. No one is smart enough to be a censor. It is up to the democratic community as a whole to filter and respond to these comments.

With this guy, that's not a hard process.

Locke · 10-01-2008, 05:18 PM

Actually, I like keeping the crazies where I can see them and keep an eye on them.

I think the entire gay community should vote for him. It wont be enough for him to gain a position of any power, let alone win, but it might be enough to drive him insane. He'd completely lose it and it'd be good for a laugh....

octothorp · 10-01-2008, 05:47 PM

As I said when this was brought up in the election thread, whether right or wrong, it's pretty much a textbook match for the criminal code's definition of hate crimes. Gays certainly count as an identifiable group, killing them would count as genocide. If he's arguing in favour of executing all gays, then he advocating genocide.

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Criminal Code of Canada

Section 318: Hate Propaganda

(1) Every one who advocates or promotes genocide is guilty of an indictable offence and liable to imprisonment for a term not exceeding five years.

Definition of "genocide"
(2) In this section, "genocide" means any of the following acts committed with intent to destroy in whole or in part any identifiable group, namely,

(a) killing members of the group; or

(b) deliberately inflicting on the group conditions of life calculated to bring about its physical destruction.

Consent (3) No proceeding for an offence under this section shall be instituted without the consent of the Attorney General.

Definition of "identifiable group"
(4) In this section, "identifiable group" means any section of the public distinguished by colour, race, religion, ethnic origin or sexual orientation.

arsenal · 10-01-2008, 06:05 PM

Well then based on that. He is entitled to his opinion, and should be locked up for a term of 5 years.
So it seems I could be wrong in this sense. It is a crime for him to have his opinion, and to voice.
Works for me.
I personally think he is bat- insane, and will completely ignore anything that comes out of this mouth.