Cops stand by 205 mph motorcycle ticket

[Cowperson]

There's little doubt that a Stillwater motorcyclist could wind up his Honda sport motorcycle past 180 mph, but members of the motorcycle racing world question whether the State Patrol was correct to cite him for 205 mph last weekend.

The State Patrol is standing by its stopwatch, and the speeding ticket a veteran trooper wrote for Samuel Tilley for driving his 2003 Honda RC51 on U.S. Highway 61 near Wabasha on the state's eastern border.

http://www.usatoday.com/news/offbeat/2004-...05-ticket_x.htm

Cowperson

[Crazy Flamer]

Ulrich questioned the State Patrol's timing methods, in which a trooper in an airplane used a stopwatch to calculate how long it took Tilley to cover a certain distance. Other enthusiasts said if the timing were off by only a half-second, it would drop Tilley's speed to about 185 mph.

Not much room for error. Still, 185 mph is pretty damn fast!

[Looger]

i've talked to more than one rider who claimed 200 mph, and quite honestly more than one bike is capable of it.

is 185 really a much lower ticket...?

[kipperfan]

Originally posted by Looger@Sep 25 2004, 06:05 PM
i've talked to more than one rider who claimed 200 mph, and quite honestly more than one bike is capable of it.

is 185 really a much lower ticket...?

Two thoughts:

1.Props to bike driver, you would have to be pretty dam skilled, and fearless to get a bike going that quick on a highway(yet also mindlessly stupid)

2.Props to cop, how do you catch a guy doing 350km/h, did he have a jet pack.

[BlackArcher101]

It was probably a plane that clocked him going that fast. They used to do it in Alberta. They would time a vehicle to see how it long it took to pass through two different marks on the road that are at a set distance. They can derive the speed through that then. Radio back down to ground where there are a group of cops waiting for the guy later down the road.

[duncan]

Originally posted by Looger@Sep 25 2004, 06:05 PM
i've talked to more than one rider who claimed 200 mph, and quite honestly more than one bike is capable of it.

is 185 really a much lower ticket...?

based on Ontario's rates, 185 MPH would be $2100 or so, 205 MPH would be about $2400. Both would warrant dangerous driving charges and a further large fine (and possible jail time), as well as a long term loss of licence.

[CaptainCrunch]

Originally posted by kipperfan+Sep 25 2004, 06:13 PM--></div><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td>QUOTE (kipperfan @ Sep 25 2004, 06:13 PM)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'> <!--QuoteBegin-Looger@Sep 25 2004, 06:05 PM
i've talked to more than one rider who claimed 200 mph, and quite honestly more than one bike is capable of it.

is 185 really a much lower ticket...?

Two thoughts:

1.Props to bike driver, you would have to be pretty dam skilled, and fearless to get a bike going that quick on a highway(yet also mindlessly stupid)

2.Props to cop, how do you catch a guy doing 350km/h, did he have a jet pack. [/b][/quote]
Props to the bike driver? Are you kidding me, he was not only putting his own life in danger, but anyone else who was on that highway.

The cops should have run over his bike with a semi and tossed his butt in jail for reckless endangermant.

[Mean Mr. Mustard]

Originally posted by CaptainCrunch@Sep 25 2004, 09:09 PM

Props to the bike driver? Are you kidding me, he was not only putting his own life in danger, but anyone else who was on that highway.

The cops should have run over his bike with a semi and tossed his butt in jail for reckless endangermant.

I was thinking the same thing. Although if this dumbass was willing to risk his life on a motorcycle would it not be reasonable for said dumbass to be willing to risk his life and others in a car, truck, van or whathaveyou. Seems to me as though he should be banned from driving forever if that is his outlook on life. I can't imagine going 1/2 the speed he is said to be going at. What an embaresment to mankind he is.

[Looger]

god's honest truth i see the soccer moms screaming down harvest hills boulevard at 80 MPH as a FAR greater risk to the public than a motorcyclist opening er up on the highway.

this new breed of sport utility vehicles with 300+ hp and brakes and handling NOT to match, well, i guess it's just what the doctor ordered, because i see these dough-heads speeding all the time. like riding my bumber on the highway #2. brilliant.

same as cel phones - the ultimate was seeing a woman on her cel phone slam into an economy car on country hills six weeks or so ago, she wasn't even looking ahead. almost hit me, and i was in a small car.

tailgaters, cel phones, sport-utes, i just can't wait until continuously-variable-transmissions are commonplace, they will lull people to sleep with the constant engine note. just wait, the best is yet ahead.

it's getting to the point that people should all be in these mammoth tubs just to survive an impact with another one - kind of an idiotic arms race of metal and mass.

no, bikers speeding is not really anywhere near as big of a problem.

[Josh]

Here's the Biker's side of the story. And I think its BS he was doing 205 on an RC-51.

http://www.sportbikes.net/forums/showthrea...77&page=5&pp=15

Here's sort of a followup to the story as well.

http://story.news.yahoo.com/news?tmpl=stor.../205_mph_ticket

[kipperfan]

Originally posted by Looger@Sep 25 2004, 09:24 PM
god's honest truth i see the soccer moms screaming down harvest hills boulevard at 80 MPH as a FAR greater risk to the public than a motorcyclist opening er up on the highway.

this new breed of sport utility vehicles with 300+ hp and brakes and handling NOT to match, well, i guess it's just what the doctor ordered, because i see these dough-heads speeding all the time. like riding my bumber on the highway #2. brilliant.

same as cel phones - the ultimate was seeing a woman on her cel phone slam into an economy car on country hills six weeks or so ago, she wasn't even looking ahead. almost hit me, and i was in a small car.

tailgaters, cel phones, sport-utes, i just can't wait until continuously-variable-transmissions are commonplace, they will lull people to sleep with the constant engine note. just wait, the best is yet ahead.

it's getting to the point that people should all be in these mammoth tubs just to survive an impact with another one - kind of an idiotic arms race of metal and mass.

no, bikers speeding is not really anywhere near as big of a problem.

Who gives a dam if a guy a bike wants to rip on the highway, it may be bad, but its nothing compared to(as Looger said) the a-holes speading through playground and schoolzones, through downtown and other high density areas, these people are 10 times more detrimental to society the bike.

[Looger]

don't know much aboot bikes.

is an RC-51 incapable of that speed?

how much horsepower is it short?

aren't like half the bikes out there tweaked at least a little bit?

seems to me the only thing stopping bikes from speeds over 300 kph is the drivers themselves.

and pavement - there's many roads that are too crappy to allow anything as fast and light as a bike to keep a sure foothold.

[kipperfan]

Originally posted by Looger@Sep 25 2004, 09:34 PM
seems to me the only thing stopping bikes from speeds over 300 kph is the drivers themselves.

Exactly.

Any of the new 900 or esspecially the 1200 edition bikes sport bikes could hit 300km/h for sure. But to acctually get it that fast youd have to be insane(and a very good rider, and have a lot of control over the machine)

[Looger]

Originally posted by kipperfan@Sep 25 2004, 09:34 PM
Who gives a dam if a guy a bike wants to rip on the highway, it may be bad, but its nothing compared to(as Looger said) the a-holes speading through playground and schoolzones, through downtown and other high density areas, these people are 10 times more detrimental to society the bike.

it's just freaking hilarious.

i've got a car that's not a fast straight-line drag racing car, but something that is capable of handling a little speed when the law's looking the other way.

when it's just me and the road, with clear visibility, no traffic, etc. i'll open it up a bit.

but i find myself driving at 40 kph in caountry hills, were i used to live, and there's usually someone on my ass the whole time, trying to drive up it.

more than once a ittle kid has jumped out in front of me, and the kids where i lived were always on the road.

many people have a strange aversion to people that speed, without taking into account the time and place.

i'll speed when i'm only endangering myself.

but the sport-ute doing 65 kph in a 50, in residential, is the threat here, but they are never pulled over.

[kipperfan]

Originally posted by Looger+Sep 25 2004, 09:40 PM--></div><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td>QUOTE (Looger @ Sep 25 2004, 09:40 PM)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'> <!--QuoteBegin-kipperfan@Sep 25 2004, 09:34 PM
Who gives a dam if a guy a bike wants to rip on the highway, it may be bad, but its nothing compared to(as Looger said) the a-holes speading through playground and schoolzones, through downtown and other high density areas, these people are 10 times more detrimental to society the bike.

it's just freaking hilarious.

i've got a car that's not a fast straight-line drag racing car, but something that is capable of handling a little speed when the law's looking the other way.

when it's just me and the road, with clear visibility, no traffic, etc. i'll open it up a bit.

but i find myself driving at 40 kph in caountry hills, were i used to live, and there's usually someone on my ass the whole time, trying to drive up it.

more than once a ittle kid has jumped out in front of me, and the kids where i lived were always on the road.

many people have a strange aversion to people that speed, without taking into account the time and place.

i'll speed when i'm only endangering myself.

but the sport-ute doing 65 kph in a 50, in residential, is the threat here, but they are never pulled over. [/b][/quote]
Yeah whenever i drive through my neighbor hood, or my girlfriends, i drive 40-45km/h, and every time without fail you get some a-hole riding your ass, the funny thing(or scary) is, sometimes its not a young teen pulling this sh*t, its a mother with a kid in the car, or an old man??

[Vulcan]

The only way you can get an RC51 to reach 205 M/Hr [even with mods]is to drop it out of the plane. The two fastest sport bikes, the Suzuki Hayabusha and the Kawasaki ZX12R [IIRC] are limited to 300 K/H. My bike ands lots of others have a reported top speed of about 260k/hr. The biggest limitation of motorcycles is the air drag. Another reason for false speed reading is the changing angle of the aeroplane, much like Gelinas' goal. I like my bikes capabilities, besides giving me a good rush [on a private course, of course] it helps me avoid the SUV's and Volvo's who seem to place driving, third or fourth on their priority list. Check out Canadian Motorcycle Guide Online, www.cmgonline.com/ , and go to the Soapbox.

[BlackArcher101]

Originally posted by Vulcan@Sep 25 2004, 06:18 PM
Another reason for false speed reading is the changing angle of the aeroplane, much like Gelinas' goal.

huh?

There would be a difference if the vehicle was long like a semi or the vehicle was somehow flying above the road. From the plane he would have been a speck passing over a small line. Only error is in the stopwatch operators reflexes. Doesn't matter where you observe the bike or at what angle, the time between 2 points will be the same.

[Josh]

Originally posted by Looger@Sep 25 2004, 09:34 PM
don't know much aboot bikes.

is an RC-51 incapable of that speed?

how much horsepower is it short?

aren't like half the bikes out there tweaked at least a little bit?

seems to me the only thing stopping bikes from speeds over 300 kph is the drivers themselves.

and pavement - there's many roads that are too crappy to allow anything as fast and light as a bike to keep a sure foothold.

No not likely is it capable of that speed, 180 is probably closer. I don't know a ton about bikes, so someone is more than welcome to correct me on this, but I think you'd have better luck with a CBR 1000RR getting to 200 mph.

The RC-51 has a 999cc vtwin for a motor. And I don't believe that guys bike was heavily modified, if I remember correctly it only had a pipe on it and that's about it.

[CaramonLS]

Originally posted by kipperfan+Sep 25 2004, 09:44 PM--></div><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td>QUOTE (kipperfan @ Sep 25 2004, 09:44 PM)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'>

it's just freaking hilarious.

i've got a car that's not a fast straight-line drag racing car, but something that is capable of handling a little speed when the law's looking the other way.

when it's just me and the road, with clear visibility, no traffic, etc. i'll open it up a bit.

but i find myself driving at 40 kph in caountry hills, were i used to live, and there's usually someone on my ass the whole time, trying to drive up it.

more than once a ittle kid has jumped out in front of me, and the kids where i lived were always on the road.

many people have a strange aversion to people that speed, without taking into account the time and place.

i'll speed when i'm only endangering myself.

but the sport-ute doing 65 kph in a 50, in residential, is the threat here, but they are never pulled over.

Yeah whenever i drive through my neighbor hood, or my girlfriends, i drive 40-45km/h, and every time without fail you get some a-hole riding your ass, the funny thing(or scary) is, sometimes its not a young teen pulling this sh*t, its a mother with a kid in the car, or an old man?? [/b][/quote]
I worked in a grocery store for 3 years and its amazing the type of people you have to help out to their car... there could be 10 cars in the parking lot (not exaggerating), and the dumb old lady has no clue where she parked... NOR does she know what kind of car she drives, she says its a "blue one".

And these people are driving???

[Vulcan]

Originally posted by BlackArcher101+Sep 25 2004, 03:23 PM--></div><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td>QUOTE (BlackArcher101 @ Sep 25 2004, 03:23 PM)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'> <!--QuoteBegin-Vulcan@Sep 25 2004, 06:18 PM
Another reason for false speed reading is the changing angle of the aeroplane, much like Gelinas' goal.

huh?

There would be a difference if the vehicle was long like a semi or the vehicle was somehow flying above the road. From the plane he would have been a speck passing over a small line. Only error is in the stopwatch operators reflexes. Doesn't matter where you observe the bike or at what angle, the time between 2 points will be the same. [/b][/quote]
It's called Stellar Parallax, but if you won't believe that would you believe the cop was compensating for sticky donut icing on his fingers.