The Scientific evidence is in: 9/11 was an inside job

[Looger]

just got back yesterday from the 9/11 Truth Symposium

http://www.americanscholarssymposium.org/

run by alex jones, the NWO afficiondo with the radio show and the bullhorn.

there is no doubt here people.

there at the conference was Steve Jones of Bringham Young University in Utah who obtained a sample from a 9/11 monument that had the chemical signature of thermite / thermate steel cutting charges.

also there is plenty of video available of molten iron leaking from a tower before collapse, broadcast on network television. molten iron is a product of thermite cutting through steel.

his work is peer-reviewed as he is a Ph.D and the monuments are still around for other independent studies.

http://www.st911.org/

>> http://www.physics.byu.edu/research/energy/htm7.html

>> http://www.physics.byu.edu/research/...rs/J6p2%20.doc

this plus all the other evidence, which i brought back with me in CD, DVD, book form, is available from myself or online if i can find it - a lot of the videos are on google video.

i brought back with me alex jones' latest documentary 'terrorstorm' detailing previous 'false flag' operations, and what's going on with governments these days. included in this video is the molten iron footage, though it doesn't focus on 9/11 so much as he's made 2 videos aboot it before, plus a warning he gave in july 2001 where he names bin laden by name.

http://video.google.com/videoplay?do...4&q=alex+jones

other jones videos:

http://video.google.com/videosearch?q=alex+jones

also, i met william rodriguez, dylan avery, the guys who made the hoboken pier video, etc.

anyone interested in obtaining a copy of anything i have, let me know.

i went down there to see the evidence for myself, i've always had strong suspicions of at least allowing the disaster to happen but there is now peer-reviewed solid evidence.

that's it, everyone back to sleep...

[Vulcan]

I haven't read your links but I believe Bush is an incompetent jerk who took advantage of 9/11 for his own agenda. Making the hurdle to believing that certain Americans conspired to cause 9/11, if this is what you are saying, is approaching wingnut territory, but whatever floats your boat.

[Looger]

http://video.google.com/videoplay?do...7&q=alex+jones

terrorstorm

at one-hour twenty-nine minutes is the molten iron footage

and hey, the truth floats my boat.

[MassFlames]

I'm sold! From now on, I want ALL my scholarly experts to be NWO afficiondos with a radio show and a bullhorn!

loudness= credibility as far as i'm concerned!

[Vulcan]

I remember when the Bay of Tonkin was used as a pretext for getting involved in Viet Nam. Bush didn't have to destroy those two towers and thousands of people as an excuse to invade Afghanistan and Iraq although it did add to the USA citizens fear. He could have done something like the Bay of Tonkin or accused someone of having WMD. I think that works, nothing destroyed, no lose of life, just a supposed threat or insult.

[White Doors]

It's far past wing-nut territory now.
sick.

[Table 5]

well, atleast now there's one less CP forumer who's opinion i can stop reading....

[arsenal]

Hey, I have a bunker I can sell you.

[Bring_Back_Shantz]

Red stuff.....must be molten Iron....

Jet fuel burns at ~ 550 degrees in the open air, and in an enclosed structure, it wouldn't be hard for the temperature to rise much higher than that. Hell look at the bottom of your fire pit to prove that, I've melted glass in a fire pit not to moltem form, but I've made some pretty messed up looking beer bottles.

Aluminum melts at only ~660 degrees, not really that much higher than the burning temperature of the jet fuel.

But I'll bet the "experts" at this thing didn't mention that eh? Why would they, it would give an alternative explination to what the "Molten Iron" was.

I love conspiracy theorists, they claim to be looking for the truth, but they ignore the facts.

[Looger]

i've poured aluminum in yellow rebas sand casting. it looks like mercury, doesn't change colour like iron.

http://video.google.com/videoplay?do...2&q=alex+jones

Steve Jones interview, 44 minutes

[Frank the Tank]

Wow. Just wow. So insulting to so many people who died that day.

Its not a conspiracy, its hatred. Plain and simple.

[Looger]

well, we agree aboot that!

[Bring_Back_Shantz]

Originally Posted by Looger

i've poured aluminum in yellow rebas sand casting. it looks like mercury, doesn't change colour like iron.

http://video.google.com/videoplay?do...2&q=alex+jones

Steve Jones interview, 44 minutes

Black bodies emit radiation in the red light wave length at ~ 550 degrees (celcius of course). But of course, most natural objects are not true black bodies, so "Red Hot" is generallyu considered somewhere between 500-1000 degrees.

So sure, it's possible to melt aluminum without it glowing, but I've seen molten aluminum at 1300 degrees (farenheit) that's about 705 degrees celcius. Again, not too much of a jump from the temperature that jet fuel burns at.

Man people like you annoy me because you claim that you've got scientific proof of something, but you completely ignore the scientific method, which is to disprove all other posibilites so that your hypothesis stands on it's own, but these crackpots point to one small thing, such as what appears to be molten steel flowing down the building, and say "Hey look, this looks like molten steel, and the fire probalby couldn't have gotten hot enought to melt steel, so it must be stell, and this must mean that the big ass plane that hit the building didn't cause it to fall down, it was the bombs that the government planted."

[Looger]

the amount of evidence is stunning, this is just the smoking gun that sealed the deal for me.

thermite chemical signature, molten iron, case closed.

but the remainder of the evidence is legion. check it out, it's a little ridiculous.

the NORAD standown is especially crazy. combined with evidence of planted devices, plus WTC7, it's overwhelming.

EDIT:
like i said, if anyone's interested in seeing the evidence, let me know.

i'm not going to debate every point, there's plenty of movies and books made by people with access and time that i don't possess.

i'll be showing terrorstorm and the hoboken pier video and other videos privately, and make copies of anything anyone wants.

i will not get dragged into convincing people on a message board without the evidence in front of anyone. i've given links but clearly those responding haven't read them, so whatever.

if anyone's interested in seeing the evidence, LET ME KNOW.

i traveled down to LA on my money and my time to check it out myself, what i've found is available to anyone who wants.

[greyshep]

Originally Posted by Table 5

well, atleast now there's one less CP forumer who's opinion i can stop reading....

Wow. No kidding.

It guys like this that really scare me.

[Bring_Back_Shantz]

Sure I'd love to see some independently verified evidence that thermite was found on the building. I'd also like to see if those tests found traces of other elements that are usually added to thermite to make it more useful as a demoltions tool such as Barium Nitrate.

I'd also like to seem some investigation to ensure that these aren't traces left over from some sort of comercial use, such as welding. Something that very well could have been done in repairing the building while it was under construction, or after it was completed.

Also, did the guy mention that the thermite reaction is simply the oxidation of aluminum using another metal oxide.
One reaction (commonly used in welding is)

Fe2O3 + 2 Al ---> Al2O3 + 2 Fe

or

Rust + Aluminum ---> Aluminum oxide + Iron

It takes a lot of energy to get this kind of thing going so magnesium is sometimes used to kick start things.

Well, guess what?
Planes contain magnesium, aluminum, and there's a pretty good chance that the beams were a little rusty. Oh, and this would produce enought heat to melt the steel as well.

Hmmmmm.....but that'd be crazy.

I'm guessing the talk went something like this.

Crackpot on stage: "We found traces of thermite"
Cracpots in audience: "What's thermite?"
CoS: "It's used by the military for demolitions purposes"
conveniently leaves out that:
a: it's encredibly hard to get going, so it ins't the most practical demolion method
b: the products of a thermite reaction are iron and aluminum oxide, which could reasonable be expected when an aluminum plain crashes into an iron building thermite reaction or not.
c: it's entirely possible that a thermite reaction could occure spontaneously, especially considering all of the required elements were present in an environment that would have been condusive to such a reaction.
CiA: "Oh my god. We'll that's scientific proof. I better go tell everyone back home."

[Frank the Tank]

Hahaha! Yay Shantzy! Awesome!

[ken0042]

My biggest issue with the 911 conspiracy theories is the sheer number of people who would have to be involved to pull it off. Unlike the JFK conspiracy where you could have done it with a dozen people (or less), this would have required hundreds of people.

And personally I don't think Bush is smart enough to pull something this big off.

I'll have a look at your links when I get home (not work friendly) but I don't think I will see anything to change my mind.

[Looger]

i keep hearing this 'word would get out' argument.

it has!

Bring_Back_Shantz,

i've aready provided the links, i'm not a scientist, if anyone wants copies of the hard-hitting evidence, let me know.

[Barnes]

Jeez Shantz...

Don't you know that everything on the internet is true. If you find two things that contradict each other, they are both true. Especially when google video is involved.

Iv'e taken enough chemistry classes to know that when that much heat and that many materials are involved, you could probably find traces of Cheez Whiz if you looked hard enough that could be then linked to Kraft blowing up the WTC.