[Game Takes] Ducks 5 Flames 2

[Bingo]

http://www.calgarypuck.com/2016/02/g...ks-4-flames-1/

[ricardodw]

What's the deal with Hamilton?

Russell and Wideman out and he steps up with 17 minutes of ice time?

Hamilton had 4 minutes of PP so 5 on 5 Wotherspoon was #4 and Hamilton #5

Hartley nailed his butt to the bench after his brain freeze in the corner lead to the 3-1 goal. He was first in and did not even slow down Perron from getting the puck.

Unless Hamilton is hurt it might be that Hartley has run out of patience with his Butler like lapses in concentration.

All the folks that want Hamilton to take a bigger role have to be a bit worried about him being able to handle it.


Obviously Hartley and the flames coaches did not see Engelland as the goat on the Getzlaff goal when Hamilton was first in to the corner and had he made a simple hockey play and Engelland should have been getting ready for a pass from Hamilton.

Credit Getzlaff for going hard to the net with the Flames in possession of the puck.

[Bingo]

that's cherry picking though. He was 21, 26 and 20 the previous 3 games with Russell out.

[Roof-Daddy]

Originally Posted by Bingo

that's cherry picking though. He was 21, 26 and 20 the previous 3 games with Russell out.

That's ricardo's thing though, cherry picking stats.

Should be his custom user title. "Stat Cherry Picker"

[Street Pharmacist]

Originally Posted by Bingo

that's cherry picking though. He was 21, 26 and 20 the previous 3 games with Russell out.

But he gets stapled to the bench for a gaffe while Deryk "gritty turnstile" Engelland gets manhandled and plays more?

Hartley is awful

[Bingo]

I certainly don't want to turn into a Hamilton apologist, but he attempted the "Brodie" by dragging the puck past the attacker and then going the other way, but it looked like the puck jumped over his stick.

To give up that goal though you need two mistakes. 1) the Hamilton turnover 2) the Engellend blown coverage in front of the net

I like Hamilton, I think he's becoming Calgary's third creation guy (make something of nothing), which is so important in today's NHL. With that comes mistakes.

[Strange Brew]

To be fair Hamilton's ice time has been low all season. Seems that Hartley does not really trust him.

[DynastyEra]

As a young defenceman I think it may be a bit unfair to put such heavy expectations on Hamilton. Look at Brodie, he has only really emerged the last 2 years. Prior to that he was solid but not the go-to guy. Hamilton could follow a similar path, but scrutinizing him now is a bit premature, and pointless IMO.
You can literally see the potential oozing out of him on the ice more often than not. As good as Brodie is, he too also has the occasional "opps". Its just much easier to look past with how much he generates on the rush.

[Inglewood Jack]

find a list of players with the highest number of giveaways, and you'll also find a list containing most of the elite players in the NHL. just like how you can only block a lot of shots if you don't have the puck, you can only give away a lot of pucks if you have them to begin with.

the sooner people are able to evaluate based on a large body of work as opposed to a single play that they choose to remember and point out above all else, the better. unfortunately I don't have much faith in the #gritchart being put away anytime soon.

[Street Pharmacist]

Originally Posted by Bingo

I certainly don't want to turn into a Hamilton apologist, but he attempted the "Brodie" by dragging the puck past the attacker and then going the other way, but it looked like the puck jumped over his stick.

To give up that goal though you need two mistakes. 1) the Hamilton turnover 2) the Engellend blown coverage in front of the net

I like Hamilton, I think he's becoming Calgary's third creation guy (make something of nothing), which is so important in today's NHL. With that comes mistakes.

Johnny gives the puck away a ton. But he creates more goals for than against. You aren't going to find a "creator" who doesn't give the puck away sometimes. It is much tougher though as a defenseman though because all you have behind you is Hiller

[Strange Brew]

Originally Posted by Bingo

I certainly don't want to turn into a Hamilton apologist, but he attempted the "Brodie" by dragging the puck past the attacker and then going the other way, but it looked like the puck jumped over his stick.

To give up that goal though you need two mistakes. 1) the Hamilton turnover 2) the Engellend blown coverage in front of the net

I like Hamilton, I think he's becoming Calgary's third creation guy (make something of nothing), which is so important in today's NHL. With that comes mistakes.

One difference is that Brodie was playing under a bridge contract while still developing. Hamilton is the highest paid guy on the team right now. The draft picks and the fat contract were part of the cost of acquiring a guy like that vs. developing him yourself. But that does put some more pressure on the young man to play up to his contract.

[Bingo]

Looked at his season in ten game segments working backwards and the only real stretch where he was demoted was late October into early November where he averaged about 16.5 minutes.

He's been 20+ for the last ten games (with Wideman out), and 18.5 for most of the rest of the season but a stretch in November where he was 20.

He's doing fine.

[ricardodw]

Originally Posted by Strange Brew

To be fair Hamilton's ice time has been low all season. Seems that Hartley does not really trust him.

Is it personalities? Hartley was all about "everything earned, nothing given"

Hamilton was given a 34.5 M contract that definitely was not earned.

There can be an argument that Hamilton has the potential to earn this contract but he definitely has not earned it based on anything he has done in his career so far. He has never been in the top 20-30 D-men in the league for even a 20 game period.... . Yet he demanded to get paid like one and got his way.

Even Russell/Wideman were in the top dozen or so d-men in the league for the last 20 games of 2015-16. ..scoring a ppg and playing plus hockey against the best lines in the league and playing every 2nd shift.

Russell would have gotten a Hamilton-like contract had he been a UFA July 2016 after his last 30 games. In Hartley's mind they have earned their extra ice-time and is why Hamilton was #5 behind Russell/Wideman for most of the season.

Wideman was not earning his way and was seeing his ice-time drop.