Trudeau draws the line for the Liberals on "pro-choice"

[Ozy_Flame]

http://www.thestar.com/news/canada/2...deau_says.html

While I think there will be some crusty types that will chastise him for the "my way or the highway" approach, I believe you have to draw a line on the political spectrum for party solidarity. Otherwise divisive issues like abortion create cracks in the party base.

While not necessarily a Liberal supporter, I am firmly pro-choice and I commend the line in the sand approach.

[Rathji]

Abortion is an issue in Canadian politics? What decade is it again?

What is their stance on universal suffrage?

[rubecube]

Yep, I'm totally in favour of this. Trudeau has shown a bit of inexperience so far but he's also made some shrewd moves to bring the party in line with his vision, and he's clearly targeting a certain demographic of voters.

[MarchHare]

Originally Posted by Rathji

Abortion is an issue in Canadian politics?

Sadly, yes (all stories are from the past year):

http://www.theglobeandmail.com/news/...ticle11825136/

http://www.thestar.com/news/canada/2..._abortion.html

http://news.nationalpost.com/2013/03...m-on-abortion/

[CaptainCrunch]

The abortion debate is dead, Harper has pretty much killed it within his own party, so Trudeau is trying to do the whole booga booga hidden agenda scary Harper blah blah blah stuff.

Its more meaningless fluff and stuff from Trudeau.

But its clear that at first he promised democratic nominations which was a lie, and now all MP's have to fall in line on his policies that he's not exactly open to public debate within his party so he's exactly like Harper, who snuffed the abortion debate and the anti gay marriage debate within his own party.

[Makarov]

Originally Posted by CaptainCrunch

The abortion debate is dead, Harper has pretty much killed it within his own party, so Trudeau is trying to do the whole booga booga hidden agenda scary Harper blah blah blah stuff.

Its more meaningless fluff and stuff from Trudeau.

But its clear that at first he promised democratic nominations which was a lie, and now all MP's have to fall in line on his policies that he's not exactly open to public debate within his party so he's exactly like Harper, who snuffed the abortion debate and the anti gay marriage debate within his own party.

I'll repost this for you as it seems that you missed it the first time:

http://www.theglobeandmail.com/news/...ticle11825136/

[CaptainCrunch]

That's nice, you posted an article from last year about the protest that went nowhere and the abortion issue was not re-opened.

The prime minister has said that there is no more debate on this.

the Conservatives have had a majority for how long, and the abortion issue hasn't been re-opened. So what Trudeau said is nice and fluffy, but realistically all he's trying to do is scream hidden agenda.

Realistically its not up to Trudeau to decide who his candidates are policy wise if he's such a fan of so called open nominations, that should be up to the constituents.

So if the constituents put forward someone as a Liberal candidate that doesn't believe in abortion, is Trudeau going to ignore the nomination and air drop in a candidate that agrees with his views.

I know his old man was completely my way or the highway, my opinions are the only opinions, it looks like his son is too.

It looks like Trudeau is trying to change the subject after he made a fool out of himself in trying to define what middle class means.

[CaptainCrunch]

Anyways, my views on the pretty empty headed pony are well known here, so no point in me rehashing the subject.

[Resolute 14]

And a couple backbenchers won't overrule the rest of the Conservative caucus that views it as a dead issue. But congratulations on allowing Trudeau to lead you by the nose into repeating the "Conservatives are scary" rehetoric that bombed like hell the last few elections.

[Makarov]

Originally Posted by Resolute 14

And a couple backbenchers won't overrule the rest of the Conservative caucus that views it as a dead issue. But congratulations on allowing Trudeau to lead you by the nose into repeating the "Conservatives are scary" rehetoric that bombed like hell the last few elections.

Bombed like hell the last few elections? I'm not sure that is how I would characterize two minority governments and one election where the Conservatives split the left and won a majority with 37% of the popular vote.

In any event, I was merely pointing out that "the abortion debate within the CPC is dead" might be overstating things.

Lastly, I don't need Trudeau to "lead me by the nose into repeating the 'Conservatives are scary' rhetoric". I can come to that conclusion, based a review of the evidence over the past decade, and quite reasonably come to that conclusion on my own.

[CaptainCrunch]

uh huh, just like I think the Liberals are scary especially with that leader in place.

we'll just have to agree to disagree, you like the brainless lazy dofus, I like the psychotic kitten eating caveman.

Its all good

[Shnabdabber]

But, but...

Trudeau is SO dreamy! Guys!?!

[CaptainCrunch]

I'd do him and I'm not gay

[Daradon]

It's an interesting tactic and definitely more honest. Dunno if it really helps or makes much of a difference though. May just hurt him, though I don't think it will either. It's not the huge hot button topic it is down south.

[Shnabdabber]

Well of course. It's not gay if you're pushin.

Wish he'd just go back to public strip teasing for the soccer moms, and admiring China's basic dictatorship. Was much more fun than watching him fumble for words to describe a middle class that he's never known.

The Liberal Party; it's the new socialism!

[Daradon]

Originally Posted by CaptainCrunch

I'd do him and I'm not gay

You'd do someone you have open disdain for?

[Rathji]

Originally Posted by Daradon

You'd do someone you have open disdain for?

You have never been married, have you?

[kevman]

Originally Posted by Makarov

In any event, I was merely pointing out that "the abortion debate within the CPC is dead" might be overstating things.

Shouldn't this excite you? If it's still an issue then maybe the debate will split the red and blue tories apart and the Liberals can have their turn in power again. It's been 10 years so it's about time we pendulum back for a decade...

[Shnabdabber]

I do find it interesting though that Trudeau can admit to smoking marijuana, given to him from friends (drug dealers) at a party, and that's cool, but Rob Ford doing illegal drugs is a stain on Canada's squeaky clean reputation.

Imagine the horror if Harper admitted to rippin a fat one. And I'm not talking about Mike Duffy.

[rubecube]

Originally Posted by Resolute 14

And a couple backbenchers won't overrule the rest of the Conservative caucus that views it as a dead issue. But congratulations on allowing Trudeau to lead you by the nose into repeating the "Conservatives are scary" rehetoric that bombed like hell the last few elections.

I don't see it as that as all. I think it's more drawing a proverbial line in the socio-politcal stand and clearly emphasizing where he thinks the Liberals should stand. I think this is likely a move aimed to draw voters away from the NDP more than it is from the Conservatives.