Do Vancouver Men Suck?

[Teh_Bandwagoner]

http://www.vanmag.com/News_and_Featu...ouver_Men_Suck

Though these are some interesting points of view from a few women who live in Vancouver, my primary purpose for posting this article is because I find it hilarious!

Originally from Halifax, Marci moved to Vancouver in her early 20s and lived here for 16 years, working in database management. She traces the city's dating problems to a culture where "masculinity is not celebrated or desired, so the manly men go underground." Vancouver's values-the importance of image, self-actualization, enlightenment, and personal fulfilment-are feminine ones, she says. Even the city's obsession with sports and the outdoors is feminized: it's mostly about play in a posh, manicured landscape. When you add a plethora of stunningly fit, beautiful, and successful women onto that background (many women I spoke with were impressed with the fabulousness of Vancouver women), men retreat in confusion. Because image is so important, they don't want to be seen as trying. Women have to tone down their success or competence to assuage a man's ego, Marci says, and as a result Vancouver has many mismatched couples.

[Ozy_Flame]

First world problems.

[Young-Sneezy]

Marci:

[kn]

"We're a generation of men raised by women. I'm wondering if another woman is really the answer we need."

[afc wimbledon]

Traditionally the men in the west end suck.

[JohnnyB]

Not a bad article. To be fair though, with regards to style and dress the same probably applies to a lot of the women in Vancouver. It's just a Vancouver thing that people tend to dress down. Half the women in Vancouver would be embarrassed by what they were wearing if they were to go out in a more fashion focused city.

[SeeBass]

All I know is when I lived in Vancouver there was never a problem with dating two or more girls at the same time and the women put up with it cause they didn't have a choice. I was never able to get away with that in Winnipeg,Toronto, or Calgary.
If you are a manly man the city was your playground and you never even had to try the women came to you.
Met my wife there, she never would have given me the time of day in any other city I lived in.

[Puppet Guy]

The men around Davie Street suck a lot.

[Diabloito Rojo]

So rioting isn't a manly man's activity?

I guess sometimes a hockey team is a reflection of a city.

[MRCboicgy]

All the guys I've met from Vancouver are more style over substance. Needless to say, you can still be fashion-forward, trendy without being a total pansy, but it's seeming more and more men can't figure this out. And don't even get me started on the homos...

[Blaster86]

I love how women in this town try to act like the men are the problem because they put no effort in.

Go to any bar or club in the lower mainland and just people watch. Women here make themselves unapproachable by ensuring they're on the buddy system while throwing in enough attitude that you'd think they just got it for christmas and can't put it down, which doesn't make it impossible and the buddy system as far as safety goes, not the worst thing to do. Now even when a guy does will up the courage (harder for some than others) to go over and talk, if they're not shot down in the first ten seconds then he's doing better than most.

It's amazing how gorgeous some girls in Vancouver think they are. Beauty Queens to be admired from afar, but what the hell are you doing, ######? Talking to me. Pffft as if. And for the record, yes I have heard this though not usually from the girl I approach but from the friend with them. Talk to those girls outside of a bar and they'd tell you that they aren't trying to meet men at bars. Become their friend? They'll whine about being single.

tl;dr

Women are ridiculous.

[Diabloito Rojo]

Sounds like someone's got a serious case of the ugly.

[Lights Out]

[puckluck]

Originally Posted by Diabloito Rojo

Sounds like someone's got a serious case of the ugly.

How the eff aren't you banned yet? going around and insulting people in each thread isn't the best way to get by at CP.

You're like amorak and THE_SCUD all wrapped up in one condescending insulting poster.

[Blaster86]

Originally Posted by Diabloito Rojo

Sounds like someone's got a serious case of the ugly.

Stop talking then? It'll go away.

[NuclearFart]

I think the article is close to the general truth. If you're a guy in Van with an average career/looks/social skills, the odds are definitely in your favor for getting with the ladies. The large gay population + "cultural issues" of the Ethnic demographic + embarrassing amount of 20/30 year old males smoking-weed-all-day-while-living-in-their-parents-basement means pretty weak competition.

All my buds pretty much always have 1-2 girls in tow, while my female friends (who are attractive) go through dry spells interrupted by dates with total losers.

Yeah some Van girls can initially appear stuck up, but I think alot of them are actually just extremely cynical & jaded by the poor mating pool. It also doesn't help that true Van locals have this weird isolationism, which makes them even more pessimistic as they feel uncomfortable mingling outside of their old social circle.

[Cecil Terwilliger]

I think this summed up the issue pretty well:

The mixed messages are what Kay Hymowitz calls "the gender bait-and-switch." The bait is the fact that men have become used to women who are at least as competent as they are, financially, socially, and sexually. The switch comes when women-suddenly, inexplicably, and irrationally, as men see it-want to leave the level playing field and expect men to bring them roses and court them, if not spread their topcoats over puddles.

Women want an independent yet vulnerable man who shows his sensitive side. They want a breadwinner who will pamper them and treat them like a princess, but who also treats the woman as an exact equal. A guy who is successful but has enough time to take care of their needs. They want chivalry and doors held, but they don't want to be treated like women are on a pedestal and delicate flowers.

[Blaster86]

Originally Posted by NuclearFart

If you're a guy in Van with an average career/looks/social skills, the odds are definitely in your favor for getting with the ladies.

Disagree. I know guys with decent careers who are by no means hideous nor shut-ins who get absolutely nothing from women when they're single. Though I do question their taste in women so perhaps your friends just are better judges of character (re: not bra size).

Originally Posted by NuclearFart

Yeah some Van girls can initially appear stuck up, but I think alot of them are actually just extremely cynical & jaded by the poor mating pool. It also doesn't help that true Van locals have this weird isolationism, which makes them even more pessimistic as they feel uncomfortable mingling outside of their old social circle.

The last part is actually very true and goes to what I said of the buddy system earlier. "Don't know him, don't trust him." And yes, they could be very cynical but does a 24 year old girl still in university have the right to really expect a guy of similar age to be further ahead?

I think, judging by your handle, that we have an age disconnect as well.

[BergyBoy]

Originally Posted by Blaster86

I love how women in this town try to act like the men are the problem because they put no effort in.

Go to any bar or club in the lower mainland and just people watch. Women here make themselves unapproachable by ensuring they're on the buddy system while throwing in enough attitude that you'd think they just got it for christmas and can't put it down, which doesn't make it impossible and the buddy system as far as safety goes, not the worst thing to do. Now even when a guy does will up the courage (harder for some than others) to go over and talk, if they're not shot down in the first ten seconds then he's doing better than most.

It's amazing how gorgeous some girls in Vancouver think they are. Beauty Queens to be admired from afar, but what the hell are you doing, ######? Talking to me. Pffft as if. And for the record, yes I have heard this though not usually from the girl I approach but from the friend with them. Talk to those girls outside of a bar and they'd tell you that they aren't trying to meet men at bars. Become their friend? They'll whine about being single.

tl;dr

Women are ridiculous.

But it's also about the buddy system I never will just approach two girls. You grab a buddy and you divide and conquer!

Woops didn't see you mentioned the buddy system already.

[Blaster86]

Originally Posted by BergyBoy

But it's also about the buddy system I never will just approach two girls. You grab a buddy and you divide and conquer!

The idea of wingmen is ridiculous. How useful do you think a drunk guy is really gonna be? Especially if you interrupt anything he was doing to get that going? I shouldn't have to do it just to say hi to a girl.

Don't even get me started on having to convince a buddy to jump on a grenade.