If you have been here too long and don't make 200 trades a season there's the door ->

[droopydrew19]

In a PM conversation with a fellow GM I was told that there are a handful of GM's (myself included) that "active" GMs would like to see replaced.

So, instead of talking crap SPEAK UP! Here is your forum.

I am getting really sick of some GM's continually bitching about how other GM's operate their teams. Just because I refuse to trade 3 top prospects for a #2 d man or aging top 6 winger doesn't mean I am not operating my team.

Some people trade for the sake of trading. That is there prerogative and I can respect that. What I cannot respect is disrespecting a person because of the style they decide to run their team.

The way I see things we have 4 types of GM's in this league.

Leagacy GM's - Gm's who have been here for many years and have maintained a team, had their ups and downs but have stuck with it and have been more active at some times rather than others.

Yo-Yo Gm's - They come in and trade 100 times in a year and then lose interest. Only to return a year or so later to trade a bunch and then get bored again.

The Haves - GM's who have built strong teams and strong minor league systems. Much like the Red Wings of the NHL. They are usually in the mix every single season. They have no need for major overhauls and have enough assets to tinker anytime they need.

Tradaholics - GM's who could care less about what is going on with their fellow GM. If their counterparts are not talking about a CPHL deal they are dumbfounded. This handful of GM's are like the used car salesman of the CPHL. Push Push Push, Low ball offers, Always needing to make a deal that profitable to them.

So tell me... is this not a microcosm of the current NHL or of life in General?

If you think I am full of crap tell me.

I will play this game the way I want just like you all play the way you want. Until I feel that I am not playing the way I would like or the GM feels that I am inactive, I will continue to grow my franchise.

[CMPunk]

I personally found that there were lots of GM's I wouldn't even bother trying to get ahold of because I knew that it would be like pulling teeth to try and get a deal done.

My biggest pet peeve about things was the lack of GM's on MSN. That was a huge issue when I first started in the league. GM's were expected to be on MSN on a semi-regular basis...by the time I left, things had shifted mostly to PM if you wanted to get a hold of someone. You'd see the same 5-10 GM's on MSN all the time.

Maybe I was too impatient, but I liked chatting on MSN and hammering out a trade in one night, rather then over a week by PM. I think I had several trades fall through because of the time between msgs in PM.

Overall I think you have a very good group of GM's in the league, however I do think that there are a few veteran GM's that need to be a bit more active in the league...but that's my two cents

[SweetDoc]

I feel that if a GM is holding on to a team just for the sake of having one, that GM might as well let someone else take over who is more interested in being active.

I don't really care how many trades a GM makes but if you aren't sending out offers, you aren't putting in time on MSN building rivalries or relationships, not posting anything useful on the forums or starting interesting threads, and not helping out the league somehow, then what exactly are you contributing to the league?

Anyone can GM and do the minimum and not contribute anything significant. The homepage on the website says the league is for "serious GMs" which I would interpret as GMs willing to do more than the minimum.

[SweetDoc]

Agree 100% with CMpunk!

[Caged Great]

I have no problem with whatever anyone does. Everyone has their own methodologies on what they do, what players they like etc. There's no right or wrong way of doing things, as long as you're having fun, that's the important part.

It's always especially hard to bargain around this time period anyway. Everyone trying to fit in the last pieces to start the season off right, which leads to sky high asking prices and little movement. After the season starts, things start to ease up and everyone is a little easier to deal with.

[JiriHrdina]

One of the things I like about our league is that we have some long standing GMs. Frankly for those calling for someone to be replaced - keep in mind I would say about 1/3 new GMs actually ends up being an improvement over the former GM. Quite often new GMs never fully adjust to our league - they either give up right away, or within a year. It's much like the greenhorns on Deadliest Catch. Those that survive the first year tend to be good ones going forward.

In my opinion, and my opinion only, we have a great group of GMs right now - that are a solid mix of vets and noobs, active and more patient, and interesting contrasts in strategy.

I would also say that spreading the word about wanting someone to be replaced is in poor form. The commissioner team makes those decisions. So to be blunt - don't waste your time worrying about it.

[SweetDoc]

Caged I don't think that this is exclusively about this time of year. Also just because doing the minimum is fun for one person doesn't mean that person is making it fun for others.

As an aside, if we are going to be slack on the rules requiring MSN time and doing the minimum to just get bye, I would suggest changing the rules to reflect that.

[JiriHrdina]

Originally Posted by SweetDoc

Caged I don't think that this is exclusively about this time of year. Also just because doing the minimum is fun for one person doesn't mean that person is making it fun for others.

As an aside, if we are going to be slack on the rules requiring MSN time and doing the minimum to just get bye, I would suggest changing the rules to reflect that.

The rules are in part presented the way they are to recruit GMs that will be active. For long-standing GMs we are more forgiving if they have proven themselves to be positive members of our league.

Activity is just one aspect of being a quality GM.

[Knut]

I think having a mix of GMs with different styles is great, but there will go stretches of weeks or longer where there is not a peep out of GMs. More message board activity would help I think. How many offseason updates have been made? 10 maybe ?

I understand the frustration of posting something on the trade block and getting 1 offer. I also understand the time issue with researching and scouring other teams rosters to find fits. I have reserved myself to the fact that in order to make a deal with some GMs I have to do the legwork and the research, which is fine.

I am not advocating turning over GMs , I would just like to see more activity year around.

[Caged Great]

As for MSN, I have been one of the most active traders and pretty much use PM only. It's easy as long as you get back to the person.

The problem I have with my work is that I might have a few minutes of free time before I have to go do something, or I might have a half hour or more to kill. I don't like starting a conversation and then 3 minutes later say oh crap I've got to run because something unexpected came up. It would get annoying for anyone I'd be talking to if I continually did that. I usually go on MSN when I know I have at least 30 minutes without interference so that way I know I won't be interrupted. That's why I tend to prefer PM's because it only takes as long as it does to write up the offer/counter and be on the ready to go do the next task that I have.

[Slava]

I'm trying to figure out which of the 4 GMs I would be....I would say Legacy, except that its not much of a legacy I've built here! I guess I'm a forgiving GM and figure that while I try to put time in I get busy. Its not that I don't want to play, but there are only so many hours in the day!

I try to participate in everything the league has going and try to stay active but there are times when its a battle to do so. I assume that for most GMs thats the case. I also do my best trading but sometimes its hard to find deals that make sense so I go for long stretches without doing much.

As far as MSN goes I really prefer it for making deals but it is sometimes hard to spend a lot of time on it. I also think that PMs are tough for trades. I've managed to do some deals that way, but it is slower and not as effective. To me though I just figure that people are busy and involved in a bunch of different things so I figure its not a big deal.

[SweetDoc]

Originally Posted by JiriHrdina

The rules are in part presented the way they are to recruit GMs that will be active. For long-standing GMs we are more forgiving if they have proven themselves to be positive members of our league.

Activity is just one aspect of being a quality GM.

There are new GMs who don't go on MSN and aren't all that active either.

I get cutting some slack for the long-standing GMs, but not to the extent that doing the minimum is a permanent thing instead of an occasional thing.

Also, if a long-standing GM has been a positive influence in the past, it shouldn't give that GM the green light to be a GM going forward who is "just there" and no longer contributes anything positive.

I think there are plenty of guys out there who could fill these spots and be active and also contribute positively; we won't know unless we try.

Your point in your other post about new GMs only being an improvement 1/3 of the time is valid but it takes a new GM a while to fully understand player values and good tactics so initially it's almost always going to look as though the new GM is worse.

I also agree that there is a good groupof GMs as a base but think some changes could make things much more fun and interesting as a whole. Long-standing GMs (and I hope not to insult anyone for leaving them off the list as this is just the top of my head) such as Aaron, Dayel, Grant, Jeff, Goffie, Doug, Dave, Joe, Pat, Ravi, Victor, and Steve should be what GMs aspire to be in terms of being active and positive for the league. Doesn't mean we all have to be that into it, but doing the minimum shouldn't pass.

If the league had 30 GMs like the names above it would be more fun for everyone.

[nickerjones]

I havent made many deals because I am still waiting to see how the sim works and what kind of players work the best etc..... I made a few when I first got here am generally happy about them. However, I kinda see where droopy is coming from. There are a few pushy GMs who definitely low ball and try to pressure you into deals. These guys usually only wanna talk to you if they want to make a deal.

On the other hand there a handful of GM's who I speak with on a regular basis that chat with about things other than the league.

I am not sure if maybe I am frowned upon because I havent been making deals but I am active just trying to take a wait to see how the sim works out approach ....

[Swayze11]

My 2 cents:

I will just take bits of what has already been said. Like Spike said, I personally prefer talking trade on MSN. I have had some great experiences with PM and some REALLY bad experiences.

I guy like CG is really good with PMs, nice quick responses allow you to make a deal within the day. It is the GMs that take 50+ hours to get back to you that is frustrating. It is summer which is totally understandable, but its frustrating in the middle of the season.

In terms of GMs styles, I agree with Drew about the categories but its also not that black and white. Sure there are those types of GMs in terms of trades and asset management but at the same time it would nice to see some updates from those teams in category "Legacy GMs". You may be managing your team without announcing things but it would be nice to know whats going on with you, if you picked up a free agent, made a minor trade, even if you just like the way your team is looking, it would be nice to hear from you in a thread. Even if you don't want to talk about your own team, its nice to get some input on trades around the league like "I like the deal for Team X, they got a good vet that will help in the playoffs".

[SweetDoc]

Originally Posted by nickerjones

I havent made many deals because I am still waiting to see how the sim works and what kind of players work the best etc..... I made a few when I first got here am generally happy about them. However, I kinda see where droopy is coming from. There are a few pushy GMs who definitely low ball and try to pressure you into deals. These guys usually only wanna talk to you if they want to make a deal.

On the other hand there a handful of GM's who I speak with on a regular basis that chat with about things other than the league.

I am not sure if maybe I am frowned upon because I havent been making deals but I am active just trying to take a wait to see how the sim works out approach ....

You're pretty new still so I don't think you quite understand the topic yet. It's not about how many trades you make, not a little bit, not at all. No one is frowning at you because of how many trades you've made, you're doing well.

You are on MSN regularly, you post on the forums, you chat on MSN and create relationships and at some point maybe even rivalries will be created That is doing a lot more than some of the GMs here that this topic is with respect to.

I am more than willing to partake in a discussion concerning pushy GMs, but I think it would be better served to another thread about that and not get off topic in this thread.

[MJK]

I like the league how it is right now. Sure I get tired of seeing that jerk Ravi on MSN all the time but as long as he is performing sucessful surgery I am cool. I like a lot of the old school gm's like looob, kg, and Tim and I would like to think they also have a good rapport with me. BJ sounds like MJK 5 years ago...I know where u r coming from but the cphl is good for a reason. Ok back to my beer.

[Swayze11]

Originally Posted by MJK

I like the league how it is right now. Sure I get tired of seeing that jerk Ravi on MSN all the time but as long as he is performing sucessful surgery I am cool. I like a lot of the old school gm's like looob, kg, and Tim and I would like to think they also have a good rapport with me. BJ sounds like MJK 5 years ago...I know where u r coming from but the cphl is good for a reason. Ok back to my beer.

drink more, then come on MSN plz

[I wanna be like Miikka]

I like the balance of GMs we have in the league right now. I think some GMs should be a little more active but no matter what you do I don't think you can form a league with 30 GMs that are all active all the time. We have a good mix currently so I'm just looking forward to the upcoming regular season and the MJK meltdown that occurs once his team misses the playoffs.

[JiriHrdina]

Originally Posted by MJK

I like the league how it is right now. Sure I get tired of seeing that jerk Ravi on MSN all the time but as long as he is performing sucessful surgery I am cool. I like a lot of the old school gm's like looob, kg, and Tim and I would like to think they also have a good rapport with me. BJ sounds like MJK 5 years ago...I know where u r coming from but the cphl is good for a reason. Ok back to my beer.

Well said.

[Da_Chief]

I'm still looking for an assistant GM, apply via PM. Lotsa perks with this gig.

As for as activity, I'm sure every "active" GM gets annoyed by the "non-active" ones once in a while, even the commishes do I bet. But play along and have fun, last year or so I've had more fun becoming friends with some of you GMs outside the CPHL.

Me and Dean just went on a lunch date couple weeks ago, fabulous steak. So have fun and apply for the AGM job, seriously would you rather GM a pathetic team like the Avs or the Kings or AGM the powerhouse Flyers. Easy decision imo. There is a long process so you won't get the gig handed to you.