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Old 08-04-2011, 02:59 PM   #1
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The first part of that reminded me of this;

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The problem I have with these conspiratorial messages and comparisons to uprisings in the middle east and else where, is that Americans and other westerners really don't have much to complain and "rise up" about. Sure it's a society and there are rules to follow, but that doesn't mean we're living in a tyrannical society. I have no doubt that if Americans, Canadians, etc really had something to rise up against, they would.
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IMHO, 4 & 5 are quite true. Complete over-standardization of testing has led to an absence of critical thinking and an emphasis on memorizing.

Most teens and young adults don't have the social skills & soft skills to organize and lead a group of people.
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It's simple really. The best way to punish someone is to take away their toys or their privileges. In countries where the people don't have a lot of either, they are not afraid of losing anything. In most Western countries, people have a lot more at stake or at least they believe that they do based on the value systems that we are taught. It's not really surprising that persuasion is a much better tool for control than force. Our leaders are just fortunate enough to be able to afford it.
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Old 08-04-2011, 06:09 PM   #6
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I think conspiracy theories are so cute in their naïve optimism. To think that there's actually someone in control, man, wouldn't that be something, all the possibilities for changing things that would open...

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Old 08-04-2011, 06:15 PM   #7
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Maybe it's not that complicated. Maybe young people don't fight back because they realize that the fight can't be won at this point. Maybe they're just going to let Rome burn.
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Disagree.

The biggest problem is baby boomers. They've essentially created a system where housing is very difficult to attain. The cost of tuition etc.. continues to rise which creates financial dependence on parents.

Meanwhile the boomers have created a personality cult around themselves by entrenching their own job positions in the form of corporations, etc...

It used to be, go to college get a job. Now it's struggle with student debt and wait in line for a job that pays a fraction of what it should. The only way to get ahead is to jump through the hoops, which create an atmosphere of further compliance.

If you can successfully become that entrepreneur, good on you. However, it's not such an easily attainable goal. Especially when people are devouted an ever increasing amount of their income to basic needs: housing, food, car payments etc.. While the cost of acquiring skills continues to go up.

When the baby boomers finally start to die/retire, the world will be a lot better off. Right now they keep on pushing retirement further and further back. Now they need money to support their own children who can't get jobs becasue they won't retire. Viscious cycle.

Working right now is also no fun. Just talking to people in my profession, they worked hard but had crazy parties, benefits, etc... All of that has been pulled back due to budget cuts and lawsuits caused by baby boomers horribly misbehaving. Work in many environments has become put the hours in and go home.

Then there's the issue of CPP and health care for the aging baby boomers....

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A huge part of it is demographics. Young people are outnumbered. Short of overthrowing democracy, there's no way they can outweigh the baby boomers.

Edit: woah, didn't see the post above until after I submitted mine.
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People need to have more kids now so when the baby boomers croak in 20 years, the youth will rise again and beat up the baby boomer's kids.
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As a person that is just shy of the boomers I can relate to your fustrations.
Its not easy and it takes time till you can get that great job and all the things you want. Just cause your parents told you that you were great it doesn't mean you are.
I think the gen y's and millennials had it easier than me as their parents had more cash than mine as our parents were a poor generation.

It takes some crappy years of paying a price of eating KD and Ichi Ban and slaving in a crappy diner for min wage plus tips. I can't even count how many long weekends I had to work double shifts and the boomers did it before me too. It seems like only the pretty ones get all of the good food jobs and make tons of tips and it is true.

I put in a lot of effort to finally have my cake and now it is the generation behind me to take a turn at trying to climb the ladder.

I used to worry about social sec and that it would be gone your discussions are nothing new and it will be there for me and for you to.

The boomers had the same worries as you guys it is an endless cycle.

Some of the older posters can back me up if there was a chat forum in the 80's we would have said the same thing.

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As a person that is just shy of the boomers I can relate to your fustrations.
Its not easy and it takes time till you can get that great job and all the things you want. Just cause your parents told you that you were great it doesn't mean you are.
I think the gen y's and millennials had it easier than me as their parents had more cash than mine as our parents were a poor generation.

It takes some crappy years of paying a price of eating KD and Ichi Ban and slaving in a crappy diner for min wage plus tips. I can't even count how many long weekends I had to work double shifts and the boomers did it before me too. It seems like only the pretty ones get all of the good food jobs and make tons of tips and it is true.

I put in a lot of effort to finally have my cake and now it is the generation behind me to take a turn at trying to climb the ladder.

I used to worry about social sec and that it would be gone your discussions are nothing new and it will be there for me and for you to.

The boomers had the same worries as you guys it is an endless cycle.
I hear ya, but its gotten a lot harder than it was. Since '95, tuition has gone up 500%. 500%!! (meanwhile, the cost of viagra has not changed in that same span, so shows who's running the show) This has resulted in many people having to live at home well into their 20's now, according to a MacLean's survey I read a couple years back. It just wasn't like that a generation or two ago. To start your career in that much debt is ridiculous, its just a broken system. Even the U.S. has a better student loan system than ours.

I'm so sick of the baby boomers in my field right now. Just graduated in education and spent the last two months subbing, it amazes me how many 65+ year olds are still doing it, and they get the vast majority of the sub calls too. You're subbing because you have nothing to do and don't feel like hanging out with your wife. I (and the rest of us) are subbing because we're trying to pay off our debts and get our career going. F'n retire already!!

EDIT: I should mention that my Poly Sci prof gave us that tuition vs. viagra argument. I'm not at the pricing out viagra stage in my life yet haha
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LOL...baby boomers? boo hoo hoo.
Im a baby boomer and the generation before me was no different than it is today. There were many men that simply wanted to work...and there were those that retired and then simply died from boredom.
Costs have gone up 1000 times ++ since I was a young man just starting out...but I didnt b!tch or whine about it...I worked my a$$ off to pay my debts off and put money away.
If you are any good at what you do, put your head down and ass up, get on with it and you will make it too.
I may work to 80 years old just to pi$$ the gen Xers off.

Oh and...crappy article too.

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The baby boomers retiring is what's going to keep me employed until I retire. Bring it on!
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Contrails. They're seeding the air with drugs to make us compliant.
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Contrails. They're seeding the air with drugs to make us compliant.
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Contrails. They're seeding the air with drugs to make us compliant.
The Best Part?

I don't know if he's being serious or not!
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