Quetion about "face value" for ticket exchange - Calgarypuck Forums - The Unofficial Calgary Flames Fan Community

Cecil Terwilliger · 02-06-2011, 07:52 PM

I have 2 pairs of HC tickets. Selling both. One pair has a "face value" of 174.95. That is what it says on the ticket, that is what it said on ticketmaster. However, CP doesn't consider that face value. On CP face value is 166.95. On the STH pair, they say 166.95 on the ticket and that's what I paid for them. On the STH pair I can break even. On the ticketmaster pair I am forced to sell for a loss.

Presumably this is done to make sure STHs don't sell tickets with fees included that they never paid.

Thing is season tickets have a different face value. Like I said, on my HC season tickets they say 166.95. On my ticketmaster versions they say 174.95.

Simple solution: face value is what is printed on the ticket. If a seller shows up and the price set by the poster is higher than what is printed on the ticket they report the poster, no different than if they tried to scalp them for 10x face value.

So my question is: why isn't face value, face value? Maybe just semantics but site rules force people to sell tickets for STH prices, not face value. Face value on my ticketmaster HC tickets is 174.95, not 166.95.

ken0042 · 02-07-2011, 09:47 PM

We are still discussing this between us mods; however with the HC tickets we are willing to make the following exceptions:

- You may ask for the Ticketmaster fees; so with Cecil's example above he can ask $174.95. The reason for this- there is only "one price" for tickets; whereas with Saddledome tickets there are various prices paid. (Sport Chek, STH, Ticketmaster, etc.)

- If you live out of town; it is reasonable to ask for shipping costs. In fact I would strongly recommend something insured like FedEx or XpressPost as there is no way to replace these tickets if lost. This does not open the door to charging what you can for shipping; just actual costs.

HOOT · 02-08-2011, 04:41 PM

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Originally Posted by ken0042

We are still discussing this between us mods; however with the HC tickets we are willing to make the following exceptions:

What if I sell a Jarome Iginla Hockey Card for $1,000 but it includes a free set of HC tickets?

j/k just reminds me of eBay trying to get around their rules.

FanIn80 · 02-09-2011, 01:36 PM

What does HC mean?

Edit: Heritage Classic.

malcolmk14 · 02-09-2011, 06:17 PM

What about for games that the Flames have dubbed "Premium games"?

I've had a situation where a user advertised white tickets for the face value of $130 for a premium game, as if the ticket was sold on ticketmaster.

When I actually received the ticket, the face value printed on the ticket was $102, because it was a season ticket.

For premium games the face value of ticketmaster tickets changes, but the face value of season tickets does not. My proposed solution would be that face value is what is printed on the ticket in this case.

Cecil Terwilliger · 02-09-2011, 08:12 PM

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Originally Posted by malcolmk14

What about for games that the Flames have dubbed "Premium games"?

I've had a situation where a user advertised white tickets for the face value of $130 for a premium game, as if the ticket was sold on ticketmaster.

When I actually received the ticket, the face value printed on the ticket was $102, because it was a season ticket.

For premium games the face value of ticketmaster tickets changes, but the face value of season tickets does not. My proposed solution would be that face value is what is printed on the ticket in this case.

I actually agree.

STHs already get to charge more than they paid. No reason to allow them to up the price even more.

And I'm a STH.

GGG · 02-10-2011, 06:52 PM

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Originally Posted by malcolmk14

What about for games that the Flames have dubbed "Premium games"?

I've had a situation where a user advertised white tickets for the face value of $130 for a premium game, as if the ticket was sold on ticketmaster.

When I actually received the ticket, the face value printed on the ticket was $102, because it was a season ticket.

For premium games the face value of ticketmaster tickets changes, but the face value of season tickets does not. My proposed solution would be that face value is what is printed on the ticket in this case.

I would say the season ticket holder should be allowed to charge the 'premium' price as a method of encouraging more sales of premium tickets to fans on here. Premium games are easily scalped on Kijiji at double face value. So really members here are getting very good value anyways and it increases supply.

There is no legal reason anymore not to permit higher than printed face value on the ticket anymore however it is good for all members to discourage scalping and provide a source of reasonably priced flames tickets.

ken0042 · 02-10-2011, 07:07 PM

Here is the problem; lets say I have a pair of tickets for the Leafs game which I sell to Cecil on our company bulliten board. They are my STH seats and I sell them for the "premium" face value; $130 instead of $110. Cecil now needs to sell them, and turns to trusty CP. Because these are STH seats originally he cannot sell them for what is really face value?

Yes, that is only one scenario. But the whole thing with the ticket sales is that we as mods do not have the time to look into each and every transaction. We try to keep the rules simple; which is why we normally do not allow TM fees. For every game there is one maximum that you can charge. Not one for STH, another for Game Pack Holders, another for Hot House, another for TM, another for tickets bought on Stub hub, another for tickets you won in a draw, got from work, took off a hobo as you were stabbing him, etc.

Wormius · 10-24-2011, 09:38 PM

Sorry to bump. Is the official party line that premium games have no greater face value than non-premium games or is this still under debate?

FanIn80 · 10-26-2011, 01:45 PM

I think a more important point that needs clarification is CP's official stance on stabbing hobos for their season tickets. Are we now able to confirm that this is, indeed, ok to do?

Cecil Terwilliger · 10-29-2011, 08:57 PM

I'm just curious if anything has been determined with regards to people charging more for "premium" tickets.

Far as I'm concerned it is a total dick move for a STH to sell their tickets for above FV, especially since they already get to sell for a profit.

The only tickets that should qualify for "premium" prices are tickets that are physically priced at the premium prices and have that price on the ticket. I would imagine that only ticketmaster tickets have these prices.

ken0042 · 10-29-2011, 10:52 PM

Sorry- missed the bump.

I thought I had answered this previously; but the official CP stand is that if there is a premium game (as determined by the Flames)- then yes, you can charge that premium face value.

We have two objectives here:
- Not allow scalping.
- Make it easy to determine where the scalping line is; so there is one price. That could mean a person who bought tickets from Ticketmaster loses a bit, and STH could stand to make a bit of money.

We do not have the time to track down if a STH is selling tickets, or if they were bought from Ticketmaster. Or in my previous example, I don't want to try and find out if a person bought tickets elsewhere; and if they are STH tickets.

Wormius · 11-06-2011, 10:50 PM

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Originally Posted by Cecil Terwilliger

I'm just curious if anything has been determined with regards to people charging more for "premium" tickets.

Far as I'm concerned it is a total dick move for a STH to sell their tickets for above FV, especially since they already get to sell for a profit.

The only tickets that should qualify for "premium" prices are tickets that are physically priced at the premium prices and have that price on the ticket. I would imagine that only ticketmaster tickets have these prices.

That is what I have been wondering, as I browsed the ticket exchange forum and noticed STHs selling in excess of what is on any actual season tickets. I have checked.mine and they all say $35, so I was kind of interested in how this was justified.

It is a pretty dickish move though, since its really grasping at straws for the STH to charge a new face value based on whatever ticketmaster might be doing.

ken0042 · 11-08-2011, 03:21 PM

I guess I don't see the issue with a STH selling their tickets for what the Flames have determined as being "Face Value" for any given game. Are they making a little bit based on the average price per ticket paid; sure.

But have a look at the ticket forum today. Tickets vs. the Wild are going for around 60% of face value; which is below STH "cost." There will be a few games like this throughout the season. Out of the 45 games the STH pays for, the follow typically sell for below cost:
- Wild (3 games)
- Pre-season (4 games)
- Coyotes, Blue Jackets, and Preds (2 games each.)
- Random East coast team; like the Islanders, Panthers, etc.

Let's keep in mind the spirit of the Ticket Sales forum is to allow members to have fair exchange of tickets. The idea is to have one value for any given game so that moderation of the forum can be accomplished without hiring somebody to audit every transaction.