Oilers are a cap team and finish last.
Flames had the highest amount of cap room last year @18 million - took a massive win streak and a tied historical record at 96 points, losing on a tiebreaker, to not make the playoffs.
See, now, you have to do simple arithmetic to figure that stuff out. I suspect Stauffer, like a lot of journalists, was told there would be no math.
One of the things I like about Pat Steinberg is that he cheerfully admits he's bad at math, and makes jokes about it at his own expense. I have known at least one prominent journalist who was actually proud of not being able to work with numbers, and considered it proof of superiority over those who can.
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That's where this is all messed up. Can anyone show me the point in time when the Oilers actually tanked? They didn't plan on doing this in any year. They may have leaned into a year in which they sucked, but they never started a year trying for a high draft pick.
Oilers are a cap team and finish last.
Flames had the highest amount of cap room last year @18 million - took a massive win streak and a tied historical record at 96 points, losing on a tiebreaker, to not make the playoffs.
Any comparisons that Stauffer is making is just not correct.
Exactly, these clowns were telling us they were building something special with Hall, Eberle, Shultz ect. in 2014-15
They were so "commited to tanking" in the McDavid draft year they fired the coach twice for poor results with a roster they obviously expected more from
We all understand there is no need to do something crazy to try and save the roster but pretending the Oilers had some kind of master plan is hilarious they tried to win but sucked and won lotteries...they even blew two of four first overalls. Any average run team would have multiple cups with the McDrai gift...don't go bragging about playoff rounds lol.
Exactly, these clowns were telling us they were building something special with Hall, Eberle, Shultz ect. in 2014-15
They were so "commited to tanking" in the McDavid draft year they fired the coach twice for poor results with a roster they obviously expected more from
We all understand there is no need to do something crazy to try and save the roster but pretending the Oilers had some kind of master plan is hilarious they tried to win but sucked and won lotteries...they even blew two of four first overalls. Any average run team would have multiple cups with the McDrai gift...don't go bragging about playoff rounds lol.
Don't forget failed rebuild circa 2007 with Gagne, Cogliano, Nilsson, Schremp, Smid.
There was no real plan, just bumbling ineptitude.
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He's not wrong, but what Stauffer says is just common sense.
This is the second, maybe third, rebuild with Edwards in charge. The last one especially was a good one, and might have paid off with the big prize if GMBT had kept the picks he shipped and drafted the same guys the beneficiaries of his trades did.
I don't think pressure came from up top to short cut that last rebuild. GMBT just got greedy/impatient. He's making a lot of the same mistakes in Toronto.
Conroy is better at the amateur scouting/drafting side of hockey, so I think there is a lot for us to be optimistic about.
That's where this is all messed up. Can anyone show me the point in time when the Oilers actually tanked? They didn't plan on doing this in any year. They may have leaned into a year in which they sucked, but they never started a year trying for a high draft pick.
Oilers are a cap team and finish last.
Flames had the highest amount of cap room last year @18 million - took a massive win streak and a tied historical record at 96 points, losing on a tiebreaker, to not make the playoffs.
Any comparisons that Stauffer is making is just not correct.
It's all just rose-coloured glasses to make it seem like the Oilers made some esteemed decision to rebuild instead of being forced into it. Stauffer says Katz came to him in February of that season to declare a rebuild, that would be roughly 20-25 games left in the season, not like they had much of a choice.
Edmonton has gone 13 games without a victory (0-11-2) and have just one win in its past 21 games (1-18-2).
Does anything think without Katz going to Stauffer to declare a rebuild they were going to make the playoffs?
Here is my favourite comedy series, Oil Change, where the crack staff at the 2010 draft gather to eventually get Taylor Hall. At some point is celebrating the moment but says he "doesn't want to do this every year!"
They then did it two more years, 7th after that, 3rd then finally 1st overall again.
So yeah, every team is kicked and screaming into this. Conroy might have already made that decision but he doesn't have to announce it.
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Man, from where I am sitting we are 100% in a rebuild and I don't even know why this is in dispute.
Is it just because it isn't the EXACT way some would do a rebuild? What a strange pointless argument.
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Yes.
San Jose and Chicago are in rebuilds. We are not. We are in re-begrudgingly-trade-players-who-want-out-after-we-tried-our-hardest-to-keep-them-and-try-to-find-a-new-core-somewhere-while-still-trying-to-make-the-playoffs-but-missing-and-drafting-mid-round.
In seriousness though, I consider a rebuild to be exactly what Chicago and San Jose did or is doing. They rode their cores as long as they could and then replaced them not with mid-20s roster players, but with old expiring cap-hits from contending teams plus their draft picks. They built and are building through the draft. The allowed themselves to not worry about being competitive while focusing on drafting and developing a new core.
What we're doing is focusing on still being competitive while trading our vets for mid-20s core pieces and lesser draft picks, and then augmenting this new core with mid-round draft picks.
We're a team without any current superstars, trying to compete against teams with stockpiles of current superstars. All while watching other teams stockpile the next waves of superstars.
Ownership's mandate is to be a competitive playoff team. There's no green light to do what SJS, CHI, MTL are doing. The only bright spot is we finally have a GM that is at least looking for younger pieces instead of just swapping old pieces for other old pieces.
San Jose and Chicago are in rebuilds. We are not. We are in re-begrudgingly-trade-players-who-want-out-after-we-tried-our-hardest-to-keep-them-and-try-to-find-a-new-core-somewhere-while-still-trying-to-make-the-playoffs-but-missing-and-drafting-mid-round.
The Flames traded away more veterans for futures in a two-year period than either San Jose or Chicago did. This is a rebuild.
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LOL. You quote the post asking if it is just that the rebuild isn't exactly the way people want it. Then you proceed to describe what you think tthe rebuild should look like.
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Ownership not interested in trading Kadri.
Ownership loves the current core.
Ownership wants to add pieces that will help the organization continue to be competitive.
You know, as an employee I love when owners talk about how much they hate the people that work there, and how they can't wait to hire new people; especially after I celebrate a milestone. It really empowers me to hear and makes me want to work harder for the organization. Good god this is going to be a long year.
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