Canadian Federal Politics Thread v5

[Amethyst]

Haha, with the talk about Harper lately, my first thought is, "He's dating Katy Perry? What?"

[PepsiFree]

Originally Posted by OldDutch

Really? A joke about two of the most vapid fake people to walk the earth, and you're offended?

5 months ago it was JT is amazing for standing up to Trump, now he never existed? Now that is funny.

Yeah, the joke was super offensive. That’s why people didn’t laugh. Not because they felt secondhand embarrassment reading a grown man’s skit about Katy Perry. Definitely not.

[puffnstuff]

Originally Posted by Firebot

Should i point out you have brought up former PM Harper (someone who hasn't been a politician in a decade) in name far more in recent months than JT and as much as current PM Carney?

No room for JT as Harper already lives in your mind forever rent free

I mean Harper has been in the news for political reasons recently. Yesterday in fact.

https://www.cbc.ca/news/canada/saska...kers-1.7595317

"I was —#I think it's fair to say —#probably the most pro-American prime minister in Canadian history," Harper said of his tenure from 2006 to 2015.

If the current government asked#him a year ago for advice on U.S. President Donald Trump being re-elected and wanting to renegotiate trade, he says he would have thought it was#a#real opportunity for Canada to#deepen its economic and security partnership with the United States."However, when this government did actually ask me a few weeks ago ... my advice was the opposite," he told the Midwestern Legislative Conference, an annual#non-partisan event#being held in Saskatoon this year#under the shadow of the ongoing U.S.-Canada trade war.

Harper called the trade war unfortunate, but said Canada has become "grossly" overly reliant on the U.S. —#"independent of the current disputes" — and there is no reason for that.

"Just because we have that geographical proximity does not justify the degree of dependence that we have on a single market," he said.


The last thing I saw from Trudeau was a pic of him rock climbing a few days ago.

[Monahammer]

I am definitely on the "who cares what JT does/ who he dates" train. Big whoop.

On the other hand though, I think it's a delicious couple for a few reasons:
1. It is basically impossible for rubes on the right not to need to talk about this as it seemingly provides confirmation for all their dirtiest, wildest insults about the man's intelligence. It doesn't actually prove anything of course, but they will all think that it does.
2. it kinda feels like he's still trying to one up his dad/ mom all the time. There's something to unpack there.
3. They're actually both attractive people and I like it for the canadiana element in pop culture.

[Fuzz]

Originally Posted by Firebot

Should i point out you have brought up former PM Harper (someone who hasn't been a politician in a decade) in name far more in recent months than JT and as much as current PM Carney?

No room for JT as Harper already lives in your mind forever rent free

Was that when Harper was appointed to AIMCo? Maybe it was actually relevant? Or was I talking about his latest duet?

[Johnny Makarov]

PP doing a press conference in Calgary right now. New slogan: Chicken and Egg!!

god his voice is still annoying as eff.

But it looks like he is taking questions again! lol But it's prob Rebel guys again.

[fotze2]

What does Justin Timberlake have to do with anything?

[chemgear]

There is no business case for Canadian companies to make money.

[Fuzz]

This corridor would include a new pipeline between Alberta and Ontario that brings western Canadian oil and gas to refineries and tidewater ports in southern Ontario.

https://www.alberta.ca/release.cfm?x...F797962EAC3B62


Southern Ontario has tidewater ports?

[Monahammer]

Wait a second though, wth, we want the refinery jobs to be in Ontario too? What the duck?

[Bring_Back_Shantz]

Originally Posted by Fuzz

https://www.alberta.ca/release.cfm?x...F797962EAC3B62


Southern Ontario has tidewater ports?

Yes. The St. Lawrence Seaway.

[woob]

https://greatlakes-seaway.com/en/nav...ay/seaway-map/

[Fuzz]

Originally Posted by Bring_Back_Shantz

Yes. The St. Lawrence Seaway.

Pretty sure the existence of locks makes it not tidewater. It's also a pretty big impediment to oil and gas shipping considering the size restrictions, distance and time to get through. I don't think I'm behind any export plans using the seaway.

[Fuzz]

Originally Posted by woob

https://greatlakes-seaway.com/en/nav...ay/seaway-map/

*clicks on random boat*

https://www.marinetraffic.com/en/ais..._ANNES_REVENGE

Nicely named. Would love the background on that name.



edit:


oh, hey. Probably named after that one:
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Queen_Anne%27s_Revenge

[Bring_Back_Shantz]

Originally Posted by Fuzz

Pretty sure the existence of locks makes it not tidewater. It's also a pretty big impediment to oil and gas shipping considering the size restrictions, distance and time to get through. I don't think I'm behind any export plans using the seaway.

Okay, so there are no tidewater ports, just ports that have access to tidewater.

Does it matter if there is a distinction in name only?

https://tc.canada.ca/en/marine-trans...-safety-canada

From that site:
Tankers carrying oil products account for 7 percent of all shipments completed in the Great Lakes – St. Lawrence Seaway. Heavy crude oil is not currently transported on the Great Lakes – St. Lawrence Seaway.

Refined product is already moving through the St. Lawrence.
Could crude happen? Probably.
Is it ideal? No, but it's an option that is better than nothing.

[Lubicon]

Originally Posted by Monahammer

Wait a second though, wth, we want the refinery jobs to be in Ontario too? What the duck?

It makes financial sense to refine close to market. Cheaper than to refine here and then ship that product through the same pipeline.

[Monahammer]

Originally Posted by Lubicon

It makes financial sense to refine close to market. Cheaper than to refine here and then ship that product through the same pipeline.

Yes, it makes financial sense for corporations to do that. But it makes more sense for albertans to have high paying jobs when possible.

[Fuzz]

Originally Posted by Bring_Back_Shantz

Okay, so there are no tidewater ports, just ports that have access to tidewater.

Does it matter if there is a distinction in name only?

https://tc.canada.ca/en/marine-trans...-safety-canada

From that site:
Tankers carrying oil products account for 7 percent of all shipments completed in the Great Lakes – St. Lawrence Seaway. Heavy crude oil is not currently transported on the Great Lakes – St. Lawrence Seaway.

Refined product is already moving through the St. Lawrence.
Could crude happen? Probably.
Is it ideal? No, but it's an option that is better than nothing.

I guess you can technicality talk your way through anything, but no, lake Ontario does not have tidewater ports. They have access to tidewater with restrictions I mentioned.


So refined products move between Canada and the US, but I'd bet those are within thee great lakes, not externally.


"over 2.3 million tonnes are imported/exported in and out of the Great Lakes – St. Lawrence Seaway system.over 2.3 million tonnes are imported/exported in and out of the Great Lakes – St. Lawrence Seaway system."

A Seawaymax tanker can carry up to 28,500 DWT. So that's about 40 trips, given they are probably not going empty in either direction.


Supertankers carry up to 500,000 DWT. So you need 18 Seawaymax to equal one Supertanker. They also don't need to spend days each direction, and compete with other traffic, and pay the lock fees. None of this sounds practical, more than an incremental increase. It just doesn't make sense to bud a pipeline there to export through the seaway. And that doesn't even begin to get into the opposition you'd get from indigenous groups, environmental groups, Quebec, and the US.


I'm sure none of this is what they actually meant. I assume the tidewater port they are thinking of would be in James Bay.

[Ashartus]

Originally Posted by Monahammer

Yes, it makes financial sense for corporations to do that. But it makes more sense for albertans to have high paying jobs when possible.

The refineries are already there though and they cost a fortune to build. Plus maybe other provinces would be more supportive of development if they directly benefit as well.

[jayswin]

Originally Posted by OldDutch

Really? A joke about two of the most vapid fake people to walk the earth, and you're offended?

5 months ago it was JT is amazing for standing up to Trump, now he never existed? Now that is funny.

No, it was an absurdly cringe attempt at humor that would never land with a single other person besides yourself. That was the issue. The joke was not offensive.