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Old 09-18-2024, 09:37 AM   #14201
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I wonder if these attacks actually start from Ukrainian soil.

After all, Russia is huge and fairly easily infiltrated by Ukrainians who very often speak fluent Russian,and drones don't necessarily need specialized launching platforms.

this reminded me of chevy chase and dan aykroyd in "spies like us"


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Old 09-18-2024, 12:43 PM   #14202
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I guess it depends on how big a drone is needed to blow up a depot like this. Ukraine's been known to modify Cessna sized planes packed with explosives into drones, could have been one of those and they'd have the range to get there. A smaller drone could definitely be smuggled into Russia pretty easily, but Russia's air defense has been pretty decimated by this point.
They apparently sent about 100 drones at the site.
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We are kind of numb to the scale of things in this war, but that ammo storage facility was 5km wide and is still burning hot enough to see on FIRMS.

https://twitter.com/user/status/1836264666592383070
https://twitter.com/user/status/1836602735556464729
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So I'm far from a military strategist or logician, but wouldn't one of your top priorities in designing a munitions depot be making sure that there's enough distance and/or insulation between stockpiles to prevent a cascade explosion?
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Old 09-19-2024, 01:36 AM   #14205
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So I'm far from a military strategist or logician, but wouldn't one of your top priorities in designing a munitions depot be making sure that there's enough distance and/or insulation between stockpiles to prevent a cascade explosion?
If they hit the place with a 100 drones it may not matter.

I wonder if they had any nukes there not in hardened bunkers.
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Old 09-19-2024, 06:01 AM   #14206
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some of what we do know today..


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Wow, it does not seem rosey in Russia. School children being used to fix rail lines and produce food, no more court dates for those arrested, just straight to the front line. Just shocking.
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Old 09-19-2024, 08:50 AM   #14208
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Wow, it does not seem rosey in Russia. School children being used to fix rail lines and produce food, no more court dates for those arrested, just straight to the front line. Just shocking.
This is Putin controlling political instability. Anyone who protests goes. A good chunk of those Navalny supporters and dissidents have probably been blown up by Ukrainians. Doesn't bode well for future stability or alternative in Russia.
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Old 09-23-2024, 02:39 AM   #14209
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Perun has a pair of very informative videos about the economical side of the war:



Short version: while military aid to Ukraine has been at times very frustratingly sporadic, the much less talked about but just as important economic support has been fairly robust, giving Ukraine in a pretty decent situation, considering the circumstances. Solid economic leadership has greatly benefitted them too. Most remarkably, Ukraine has been succesful at significantly reforming their economy and government, despite the war. They are however very dependent on that international support.

And a look at the other side



While there's much less information available on Russia, unfortunately the situation in Russia is probably not nearly as bad as we would hope, and on the surface a lot of markers look like a boom economy. (Thia actually isn't massively surprising for a war economy, low unemployment and rising salaries are quite normal in war.)

On the upside though, Russias situation IS much more precarious. While their economists have clearly also done an excellent job fending off disaster, there are a lot of stopgap measures that are holding back collapses of one sort or another. Without detailed information it's essentially impossible to say how close their economy is to a war ending crisis, but the fact that over time Russia has declared more and more economic data as secret, there are reasons for optimism. After all, if everything was fine, Russia would want to show the data to prove it.

It doesn't look like it's going to collapse right now though, and one shouldn't take Russia's eventual economic collapse as a given. For all we know, it could hold for a decade, or come down crumbling next winter.

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...reading the above again, I feel a need to further clarify:

Economically, Ukraine is clearly doing better than Russia, and we know this for sure, even if we take every number Russia is giving out about it's own economy as truth. (Which we shouldn't.) The fact that companies like Rheinmetall see an economic opportunity in building production directly in Ukraine actually says a lot of good things about Ukraine's situation.

We also know that Russia is not okay. We don't know how bad it is because they're keeping so much hidden, and it doesn't look like a system about to collapse just yet, but really no one knows how long they can hold on.

Ukraine's primary worry is threats posed by Russian air strikes, resulting from insufficient air defense, but overall they've been actually transitioning to a more modern, less corrupt western style economy, which really is a remarkable achievement of leadership from Zelenskiy when you think about it.

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I wonder if Russia's production being destructible while Ukraine's NATO support is untouchable will be the deciding factor in this conflict.
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I wonder if Russia's production being destructible while Ukraine's NATO support is untouchable will be the deciding factor in this conflict.
I think you're right, but one could also flip that same concept and say that Putin's unbreakable self preserving determination vs the West's declining interest could also be the factor in deciding this conflict. The West will decide when and how this ends. Supply Ukraine like it's fighting for your security and they win. Supply Ukraine like you hope they hold out and they may not
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Old 09-24-2024, 06:49 AM   #14213
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APN with a much shorter video on Russia's economy.

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Polish Foreign Minister Radek Sikorski absolutely wringing Russia and putting their carcass out to dry at the UN Security Council today

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Polish Foreign Minister Radek Sikorski absolutely wringing Russia and putting their carcass out to dry at the UN Security Council today

https://twitter.com/user/status/1838721206041628719
Well done sir. That was satisfying on a lot of levels.
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Knowing how Poles are, that guy was way too polite (obviously in a diplomatic forum). That russian ambassador to the UN Vasily Nebenzya is a top 5 russian guy I want to see swinging from the gallows. Can't believe someone hasn't choked him out yet.
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