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Originally Posted by opendoor

Just in case anyone doesn't want to watch 6 hours of YouTube grifters, here is some data out of the UK (which for some reason retired nurse John Campbell didn't bother including in his excess death video) since the start of the vaccine rollout:

Age standardized all-cause mortality per 100K person-years:

Unvaccinated: 2337.5
Ever vaccinated: 957.4

So in terms of all-cause mortality, unvaccinated people have been dying at about 2.5x the rate that vaccinated people have. Granted, that doesn't necessarily mean that the vaccines are safe, but it pretty clearly illustrates for any excess deaths that are still occurring, the unvaccinated are still experiencing a disproportionate burden. And if you look at the monthly data, it's still occurring every month up to the most recent data, so that number isn't an artifact from a different point in the pandemic. People who have never been vaccinated are still dying at a higher rate. On the other hand, the group with the consistently lowest rate of all-cause mortality is the group with 3 doses.

But again, that doesn't necessarily mean the vaccines are safe. It's certainly plausible that vaccines could cause excess deaths, but that their benefit for protecting against COVID outweighs that (though the logical conclusion from that would still be to get vaccinated). So to avoid the benefit of COVID protection, we can look only at non-COVID deaths:

Unvaccinated: 1474.3
Ever vaccinated: 892.9

So unvaccinated people have been dying at a 77% higher rate for causes other than COVID compared to vaccinated people. So again, the excess death burden (when excluding COVID) is basically entirely borne by people who've never been vaccinated; and much like all-cause data, that effect is still seen in the latest data and the group with the lowest non-COVID mortality rate is the 3 dose group. So that points to two things likely happening:

1) COVID deaths are getting missed, and the vaccinated (who have protection against COVID) are being protected against those deaths which are being classified incorrectly.

2) Unvaccinated people, who have been more likely to have severe disease, are experiencing a higher rate of long-term health complications after having COVID and are eventually dying at a higher rate because of it. Which is backed by other data, which has shown people who have severe disease are far more likely to die in the next year than those who had milder disease or who weren't infected.

So yeah, zero evidence that vaccines are causing any real harm; the group with the most doses has the lowest death rate and the group with the fewest doses has the highest.

To be fair, they are less well tolerated than many other vaccines. So for previously vaccinated younger people or those who've had a breakthrough infection relatively recently, then a further dose right now might not be super beneficial. That's why many European countries are focused on the 50+ population and the never-vaccinated population. But in the aggregate, vaccination has a significant harm reduction effect that is indisputable based on the data.

Can you breakout excess deaths comparing unvaccinated and vaccinated per age group?