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Old 06-09-2022, 09:59 AM   #4365
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I know it's easy to dismiss the issue and say "just let them play", but it's clear at this point that it is extremely irresponsible and dangerous, in the cases of contact sport, to allow biological men to compete with women.
No, it's not. Yes, on average men are bigger and stronger than women, but that's just an average. It's no more "irresponsible and dangerous" than letting Zdeno Chara play against Johnny Gaudreau. That size difference is much bigger than the average size difference of biological men and women.


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Women's sport only exists so that women can compete without having to overcome the massive biological advantage of being a man. Even at the current pace of there only being a slow intake of biological men entering women's sport, it's enough that in 10-20 years time, the majority of women sporting records could conceivably be held by biological men.
No, it's not conceivable that that could happen, not at this pace. There are still vanishingly few transgender athletes, and even fewer of them are in any way dominant.






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I get what they've proposed is gross and seemingly a step too far, but it also sounds like the vast majority of female athletes wouldn't be subject to this test. It's usually pretty obvious when a recently transitioned individual is competing with the girls.
"Sounds like" and "Usually pretty obvious" are terrible measurements. Obviously you're not going to notice the non-obvious cases, and just in general you can't start checking people's genitals on wishywashy ideas like this.

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Is the sanctity of women's sport so inconsequential that obvious cases of biological men competing cannot be rooted out? Can you suggest a better method of protecting women's sport?
First of all, "obvious cases of biological men" needing to be "rooted out" is not a thing to begin with, and second, a genital check does not help. Here's an example of someone who would be categorized as a woman based on a genital check, Buck Angel.



As long as people are not competing with genitals, there's no point in checking the genitals.
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