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Old 08-13-2017, 10:17 AM   #281
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Again...how are you able to quantify this statement?
This is an interesting question. How do you quantify the number of white people that believe white Americans are above minorities and own or are owed a country that caters to them?

I think you can start by trying to understand White Nationalism and its relationship to other movements, like Nazism, Christian Dominionism, anti-government movements, and long standing political interests like the John Birch Society.

White Nationalism focuses on the belief that white people are the superior race and that the United States should be the homeland for this superior race. All others are inferior and any infringement upon on the position of whites as the top of the food chain is considered an infringement on their birthright as the supreme race.

https://www.splcenter.org/fighting-h...te-nationalist

https://www.nytimes.com/2016/11/22/w...explained.html

White Nationalists cross over into groups like the KKK, neo-Nazis, skinheads, neo-Confederates, and Christian identity groups.

Neo-Nazi groups embrace the teachings of Adolph Hitler and the belief of the superiority of the Aryan race. Much of their hatred is against Jews, but they also hold distain for anyone who is not of pure blood and has a white complexion. Neo-Nazis cross-over into fascist groups and Christian identity groups.

https://www.splcenter.org/fighting-h...ology/neo-nazi

There is a long history of support in America for Nazi ideals and the Nazi Party itself.

http://time.com/4703586/nazis-america-race-law/

People don't appreciate that America made a lot of money in supporting the Nazis. IBM made ungodly amounts of money during WWII by providing the Nazis the technology needed to catalogue the spoils of war and those in the concentration camps. There is still plenty of support in many corners of white America for the ideals held by the Nazi Party because it was passed from generation to generation. Famous Nazi sympathizers include Adolph Coors, Henry Ford, Charles Coughlin, Prescott Bush, the grand father of George W. Bush, and Fred Koch the patriarch of Koch family, and one of the founders of the John Birch Society.

Neo-Nazism and support for this ideology intersects with many political and social groups in the United States like the John Birch Society, the alt-right and Christian Nationalist movements.

Understanding these political movements, many of them anti-government, will also shed some light onto the numbers of Americans who ascribe to the doctrine under discussion.

The John Birch Society has long been the extreme right in the American political spectrum, and much of Bircher doctrine is based on racial purity and sustenance of white heritage.

https://www.splcenter.org/fighting-h...ing-back-birch

http://www.politico.com/magazine/sto...r-state-215377

What is most scary about the Birchers is they have great support from families like Koch, Scaife, Bradley, and DeVos. They have money and they have been pouring it into interests that affect public policy and government, entrenching their beliefs into laws that allow for the suppression or oppression of minorities.

Out of the Birchers came anti-government and sovereign citizen movements, like the Tea Party, the III (Three Percenters), the Oathkeepers, Molon Labe, the American Freedom Network, and a ridiculous number of militias across the United States.

https://www.splcenter.org/active-ant...-united-states

https://www.splcenter.org/fighting-h...izens-movement

http://www.darkgovernment.com/news/l...ilitia-groups/

https://www.adl.org/education/resour...litia-movement

The common thread throughout many of these anti-government groups is their Christian identification and more often than not, affiliation with some type of born-again Christian church.

https://www.hsaj.org/articles/166

https://www.splcenter.org/fighting-h...stian-identity

http://www.pewresearch.org/fact-tank...2016-analysis/

There is a common core to all of these belief systems, and that is white identity. Trying to figure out the number of people who ascribe to that ideological position could be difficult, if we did not have a dew movements and symbols to rely upon. Identifying a Nazi is pretty simple, because they sport a swastika. Identifying people who ascribe to a white Christian identity should be pretty simple as well, if we just look for the symbols representative of their belief structures. We could look for the III percent symbol, or the ichthys, or the rebel flag. I think those may be too selective or overly inclusive at times (ichthys).

I see a Gadsden Flag and I'm pretty sure that the person behind that symbol is going to be white, love their guns, love their religion, hate immigrants, and have strong negative views against the government and minorities. Not all are going to be this way, but the vast majority of them will be in your face about their beliefs. This isn't as overt as the Nazis, but they still harbor the same beliefs and are sympathetic to similar causes. It is wrong to suggest that all people who are Tea Party supporters are overt racists like those on display in Charlottesville, but they definitely espoused such beliefs as a collective at the height of the movement. So I would say it is safe to suggest that the numbers of people who identify themselves as supporters of this ideology do fall into the number you're looking for?

Using that as a baseline, 17% of Americans identify themselves as strong supporter of the Tea Party ideology, the fringe of the American right. So that is probably a good indicator of numbers in the US. I'm not suggesting that these people that are going to march along side Nazis, but they certainly do sympathize with many of the same principles. Push come to shove, these people not only hold, but also display many racist ideals. That is a pretty strong subset of the 25% who say they strongly support Trump and won't budge.

So I would say it is safe to say that there are indeed tens of millions of people who support the ideology in question.

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