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Old 08-28-2019, 01:42 PM   #470
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1. The data is not all encompassing. As far as I know, it's not like the community is calling in everything that is happening. There's a ton of stuff that are not reported, but are still significant and real increases of occurrences in the surrounding area. I'm pretty sure CPS isn't reporting all the data as well.
If you read the CPS report, they said that they are reporting all data that has been called in, as well as all CPS activity. If something is happening that is illegal, according to you, you should be calling it in.

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2. The data discussed was about the area 250M around the SIS. Have you considered the context of that?

North: 1.5 blocks (in between 10th and 11th Ave)
East: 2 blocks essentially to the Beltliner (All of Memorial Park)
South: 2.5 blocks (Essentially to Red's Diner)
West: 2 blocks (Just shy of the park where Lougheed house is location)
How far do you want to move the goalposts? At some point, you are going to have to admit two things: 1) that even with the slight bump in crime since the recession, levels are still lower than they were 10-15 years ago, and 2) that the SIS is responding to an overall opioid crisis, the roots of which go far deeper than the immediate community experience.

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A 4 x 4 block radius is what the data is pointing at. I feel like it's missing data from a significant amount of activity beyond that radius. While it's probably true that a lot of the activity is concentrated in that 4x4 radius, there's still a significant amount of activity if you added another 250-500M of radius.
If you read the report, CPS made that distinction, and noted that overall crime was still lower than it was 10-15 years ago with the exception of trespassing and vehicle break-ins. They are responding to this with more foot patrols and officer presence through the downtown.

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3. Due to the newness of the SIS, there was a shallow pool of data until only recently. We are only starting to hit the solid bulk of data now that a longer duration has elapsed.
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All data looks significantly positive, and fits within a much larger data set from around the world.

Even if the data says there's a decrease from previous, it's like merely nicking off the tip of the iceberg that was plopped into the community. You might as well be saying, "Hey this stock you hold increased 10% today" after an over drop of 90%. It's still way down.

4. Data vs anecdotal. While I get that those who don't live in the area must mostly rely on data to understand what's going on, but that doesn't mean that the shift based on the data is negligible. Forest Lawn probably in Calgary is literally one of the safest communities in the entire world statistically speaking. Does that mean there's no significant reason to not consider that community when looking for a place to live? (Apologies to those who live in Forest Lawn).

We had a reasonable understanding where our community was ranked quality of life wise. We then watched our quality of life tumble faster than a bottle at a carnival game. A good combination of data and anecdotal give a more balanced understanding of the situation.
Cities aren't little amber fossils that crystallize and preserve your community in perpetuity forever. They change, peak and fall, react and respond to all of the immense forces that push and pull a society along.

Better to be proactive, then withdraw.
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