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Old 10-01-2021, 04:09 PM   #389
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Originally Posted by curves2000 View Post
I really wonder if the federal government and the provinces can make a little headway with vaccinations by promoting the viral vector vaccines like J&J and AZ for that last few percentage of people who may be willing to take the shot.

https://www.ctvnews.ca/health/corona...west-1.5607529

I know in the recent AB press conference Kenney indicated that they are looking at using the J&J shot for some people who prefer it. It's a one shot vaccine and it's effectiveness is very high.

When the vaccines were being developed and being first launched, the fear for some people was that the MRNA vaccines were "rushed" "new technology" Than there was the instances of very rare blood clots with AZ and than J&J and the narrative shifted. People didn't want these vaccines and the media kept hammering away on the issue as well.

There is still a supply of AZ in Alberta and if we can make the message known, we may be able to get a lot of people to take it and the J&J shot. The "older, traditional" tech that these vaccines use may help. The fact that they are all extremely effective at keeping people out of hospital is also a plus.

One country that has been using a lot of AZ recently is Australia. They needed to make the shift to really push that shot as well due to supply issues with Pfizer and their winter wave. In this recent article they show some excellent stats on the safety of the vaccine. 11.3 shot's administered, 141 cases of the blood clot with 8 unfortunate deaths. That death rate is I believe 5 times lower than what was observed in the UK due to early detection and better treatment methods.

https://www.abc.net.au/news/2021-09-...-tts/100489408

This past week the US trail results for AZ came out and showed a very very effective vaccine at 74% efficacy with extremely strong protection in seniors at 83.5%. No incidences of the blood clot were reported. This trail is using a 4 week gap on the 2nd dose and we know that the AZ is a slow burner and 12+ weeks has better efficacy. Waiting 15+ weeks is even better and than the massive boost in protection comes at 45+ weeks where the antibody response is through the roof!

https://www.reuters.com/business/hea...al-2021-09-29/

We got to pull all the stops out to get the last remaining possible people done. We may need to try hard and "sell" them on AZ or J&J.
There's nothing "traditional" or "old tech" about viral vector vaccines. The first one ever released for human use was in 2019, and they still do basically the same thing as mRNA vaccines where they stimulate your body to create spike proteins, but do a less effective job of it and with more adverse reactions.

If the government is really serious about coddling peoples' fears, then they should be fast-tracking Novavax. It's far more effective than the viral vector vaccines based on trial data, has fewer adverse reactions than either mRNA or viral vector vaccines, and the technology has been in wide use for nearly 40 years with the Hepatitis B shot (and later HPV and flu shots). The amount of people who are too paranoid to take an mRNA vaccine but who will be willing to inject a technology that's just as new, but that has more safety issues is probably tiny.

And were are you getting the "through the roof" antibody response at 45 weeks for AZ? The UK is finding that effectiveness is dropping to 47% at 20 weeks and prevention of hospitalization drops to 77% at the same time:

https://www.ft.com/__origami/service...ext&width=1260

There's a reason why the UK has decided to only using mRNA vaccines for boosters.
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