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DeluxeMoustache · 05-26-2019, 01:48 PM

So just as a follow up, here are some data points. These are all of the contracts in the NHL, which were signed as RFA, with cap hits over 7 million.

So we are not counting a lot of UFA guys who have won Cups and gotten paid, like Crosby (who was pretty much always paid), Kane, etc. Or, you know, UFA guys who didn’t do anything but had Leaf jammies as a kid and left NYI for Toronto.

McDavid 12.5
Matthews 11.6
Eichel 10
Ovechkin - 9.54

We won’t discuss the above, they are all centres that are first overall picks, better than Tkachuk, or they are Ovechkin. Carrying on...

- Kucherov 9.5 - Winger. First he did a bridge, 3 yrs at 4.8. Had 100 points in 2017-18. 9.5 long term deal starts next year.
- Subban 9 - D. did 2 year bridge at 2.75. Had just won the Norris trophy.
- Draisaitl 8.5 - C / W - paid to be a center. RFA breaking contract. ..well, it’s the Oilers
- Giroux 8.275 - C, did 3 year bridge at 3.75 first , had seasons of 93 and 86 points behind him.
- Johansen 8 - Center, also did a 3 year bridge at 4
- Weber 7.86 - 14 year deal, did a 3 yr bridge at 4.5 first
- Kuznetsov 7.8 - C, did 2 yrs bridge x3 M
- Tarasenko 7.5 - winger, straight from ELC
- Ekblad 7.5 - D, straight from ELC
- Rask 7 - did 2 x 1.25 off his ELC and a year at 3.5

Then sub 7 M you have the next couple being
- Nylander 6.96
- Gaudreau 6.75

So to folks saying Tkachuk deserves 9.5 over 8, we can stop right there. He is no Kucherov. He is not projecting to be a guy who gets 128 points right now.

The only comparable in the list that is above 7 is Tarasenko.

Most forwards in the list are centres. Only a handful of wingers.
Many of the other guys had accomplished something more.
Giroux had gone to the cup finals in 09-10
Subban had a Norris
etc.

So all of this 9-9.5 stuff.. well, I don’t think so.

Frankly, I believe there is a case where with short enough term, the Gio cap can be observed.

Matthew was almost a point per game, crapped the bed along with his teammates down the stretch and in the playoffs, and hasn’t accomplished anything, outside of impressing a bunch of people here.

05-26-2019, 01:48 PM	#102
DeluxeMoustache Moustache Join Date: Mar 2010 Exp:	So just as a follow up, here are some data points. These are all of the contracts in the NHL, which were signed as RFA, with cap hits over 7 million. So we are not counting a lot of UFA guys who have won Cups and gotten paid, like Crosby (who was pretty much always paid), Kane, etc. Or, you know, UFA guys who didn’t do anything but had Leaf jammies as a kid and left NYI for Toronto. McDavid 12.5 Matthews 11.6 Eichel 10 Ovechkin - 9.54 We won’t discuss the above, they are all centres that are first overall picks, better than Tkachuk, or they are Ovechkin. Carrying on... - Kucherov 9.5 - Winger. First he did a bridge, 3 yrs at 4.8. Had 100 points in 2017-18. 9.5 long term deal starts next year. - Subban 9 - D. did 2 year bridge at 2.75. Had just won the Norris trophy. - Draisaitl 8.5 - C / W - paid to be a center. RFA breaking contract. ..well, it’s the Oilers - Giroux 8.275 - C, did 3 year bridge at 3.75 first , had seasons of 93 and 86 points behind him. - Johansen 8 - Center, also did a 3 year bridge at 4 - Weber 7.86 - 14 year deal, did a 3 yr bridge at 4.5 first - Kuznetsov 7.8 - C, did 2 yrs bridge x3 M - Tarasenko 7.5 - winger, straight from ELC - Ekblad 7.5 - D, straight from ELC - Rask 7 - did 2 x 1.25 off his ELC and a year at 3.5 Then sub 7 M you have the next couple being - Nylander 6.96 - Gaudreau 6.75 So to folks saying Tkachuk deserves 9.5 over 8, we can stop right there. He is no Kucherov. He is not projecting to be a guy who gets 128 points right now. The only comparable in the list that is above 7 is Tarasenko. Most forwards in the list are centres. Only a handful of wingers. Many of the other guys had accomplished something more. Giroux had gone to the cup finals in 09-10 Subban had a Norris etc. So all of this 9-9.5 stuff.. well, I don’t think so. Frankly, I believe there is a case where with short enough term, the Gio cap can be observed. Matthew was almost a point per game, crapped the bed along with his teammates down the stretch and in the playoffs, and hasn’t accomplished anything, outside of impressing a bunch of people here. Last edited by DeluxeMoustache; 05-26-2019 at 02:15 PM.