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So why have we not been vaccinated? Well recent studies have shown that natural immunity is everybody as good if not better than the vaccines. I do understand that these are early studies, but everything we know about immunity since we've been studying viruses would indicate that natural immunity is likely.
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Those same studies also show that previous infection plus the vaccines provide superior protection to COVID versus previous infection alone. I also know a couple unvaccinated people who have already caught COVID twice. Experts… as in the ones actually studying viruses professionally… all suggest that vaccination with previous infection provides superior protection. Experts in fields unrelated to epidemiology who researched using Google may have conflicting opinions.
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We've also had three close contacts who have had strokes since being vaccinated. While it is entirely possible that it is merely a coincidence, there are reports of side effects from the vaccines. So why would I risk potential serious side effects for a medical procedure, that after having the virus already, seems unnecessary?
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Risk of stroke from COVID is significantly higher than the risks of the vaccine, not to mention the other potential complications, but you seem to not have considered that risk in deciding not to vaccinate. The risks from the vaccine pale in comparison to the virus, there are plenty of stats on this, and I’m unable to explain how you’ve not come across them unless you were only researching data that supported your desire not to get the shot in the first place.
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If I am completely out to lunch on this, I am more than happy to have a discussion, which is why I am making this post I suppose. I just haven't seen anything like this posted on here before so I thought it may be beneficial for those who are condemning individuals like myself to maybe take a moment and see where others may find themselves.
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What you’re doing is placing high value on low probability (vaccine-related strokes) in the face of other, much higher probability risks. There’s very little about anything you’ve typed here that is a unique viewpoint, aside perhaps from the fact you said it in a reasonable tone. We have been discussing this
ad nauseam since vaccination first became available.
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For the record I do support an immunity passport like we've seen in places in Europe, but I do feel like a vaccine passport goes against everything we know about the spread of this disease and immunity in general.
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A vaccine passport is needed here and now because people who seem smart enough to know better (some anyway) use faulty logic to justify not doing the right thing. They won’t pull in the same direction as the rest of society who wants this thing over, and as a result they’re ending up clogging the hospitals and ICUs. The numbers show this very plainly and there is no “unvaccinated but caught COVID already” bucket, unvaccinated means unvaccinated.
There is enough reading in this forum alone that you should be able to find all the reasons why you should be seeking to get your immunizations up to date. I’m sure others will give you reasons too. And I’m not sorry that restaurants who want to survive are going to make the correct decision that much more difficult for you to resist.