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Old 07-18-2019, 12:13 PM   #43
JJolg
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Originally Posted by OMG!WTF! View Post
There are actually lots of things wrong with that. It's all good if your species has a healthy population. But, for example, lions. People go to Africa to kill the biggest, baddest male lion they can find...a trophy male. These are the leaders of the pack. When one dies, the lesser males come along and kill all the cubs the old lion had, they take out a couple of the productive females. Then they kill each other until the next alpha cat emerges. So killing one trophy lion destroys multiple animals and breeding cycles.



Same for elephants, rhinos, all other cats, pretty much everything people consider a trophy.
It's not quite that simple, again if we are talking the farmed hunts the guides will planned out where to take the people and which lions to target. In area's where tags for wild lions are done ( tags handed out by the government bio's) it is because the area has more lions that they want in that area or conflict is high. The cycle you listed above can happen any time non biological lions head out to new area. Old males will stop fathering after 8-10 years and go nomad, they are often the targets.

And this is not the case for all things we call trophies, mountain lion males are solitary and only the female stays with the litter and in the case of the brown bear old males are targeted as they will kill young to try and breed the female. This is why in areas they want to recover numbers they will remove the dominant male.

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Originally Posted by OMG!WTF! View Post

There are many problems with farmed lions just as there are with farmed fish. When you really look into it, wild lion populations would be much healthier and much better off without farmed hunting. Farmed hunting has destroyed lion populations. Jay's also talking about legal wild lion hunting. Not farmed lion hunting. Why would a conservation minded hunter think it's ok to shoot a lion when there aren't enough of them around? There's a specific scenario where it may be beneficial to kill off an older male of a species but that's up to biologists not hunters.
How has farmed hunting destroyed number? These areas often gap between national parks and villages acting as a buffer and keeping down conflicts. They are also patrolled so there is less poaching in these areas. There are only 3 countries that allow lion hunting, they allow it because there populations can handle it, as per the biologists there. This is not a case where someone is just showing up and doing what they want, it is structured and the money for the wildlife studies and programs comes from the hunting which is why Botswana reopened elephant hunting(they feel they are above carrying capacity in areas) to fund there conservation studies.

You may not like the pictures but at the end of the day if the government feels there are too many in a area or they are in conflict with village and livestock then you will see them shot out of helicopters/poisoned (both used for alberta wolves) or you can earn income on them and yes any safari or guide uses the meat.
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