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Old 12-26-2018, 04:28 PM   #51
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Originally Posted by PepsiFree View Post
This seems somewhat naive. As lovely as it would be to believe that a true democracy - as you’ve described it - exists, it doesn’t. Do you have an example (100 points for a recent one) where your version of democracy works outside of a university classroom or textbook?

Being that we live in the real world, this is how things work. We give a little to get a little. That’s why we have restrictions on guns and other weapons, prescription drugs, operating vehicles, etc. This is how life works, there is no such thing as absolute freedom.
Naive would be to think that in the real world the state would not abuse its power given the opportunity. History has proven the opposite conclusively.

No, I don't believe that absolute freedom is possible. Yes, I believe that presumption of innocence must not be violated in a democracy, no matter the objective and the benefits. See if you could plausibly argue against the following violations similar to the no-cause breath test:
  1. Preventatively checking anyone's phone for evidence of child porn without a cause;
  2. Preventatively searching anyone's home without a cause for possible illegal things (arms, drugs, laundered money);
  3. Preventatively searching anyone's computer without a cause to ensure they are not involved in any illegal activities...
Any of the above violations could return immensely productive benefits for the society as a whole - identify child predators, terrorists, potential mass-murderers, thieves etc. Why not do that? If someone is innocent, why should they be opposed?
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