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Cowboy89 · 08-20-2007, 02:12 PM

Great post Bingo. I think a large portion of this issue centers around the politics. I find it no coincidence that the loudest voices arguing with the Al Gore crowd are people who have either been known to be activists for a laundry list of other unrelated 'causes' or people who have idological issues with capitalism and western lifestyles. People like Al Gore gain because they feel relivent again after being forgotten for years and those who have always hated Western Civilization support it because it appears to be fuel to support it's demise. Of course none of this has anything to do with the actual science of global warming and all to do with the optics.

The science itself has become peripheral to the debate as evidenced by such comments as: "Even if it turns out that human contribution to the problem is minimal wouldn't it be better safe than sorry?." Easy for rich first world people to make that comment when they'll only have to endure minimal hardships to reduce carbon consumption. Tell the third world they'll have to power their homes with wind generated power and that millions possibly billions of them must die of economic hardship in the name of reducing carbon for a 'better be safe than sorry' policy.

The general public have been duped without adaquate scientific backing as well because they have become sensitive to only the slightest deviations in their local weather and thus blame carbon emitters. Showing clips of 90 year olds stammer incoherently about how much colder it was back in the 20s and 30s hardly qualifies as scientific evidence of anything unless it were to be used in an Alzheimer's drug trial. For all those who don't believe me on this comment tell me how many Grand Prix cars you came across on your last commute. Then count how many on your next commute. You'd be surprised that when you start looking for something you notice it more often, even when it's always been there right under your nose.

For Calgarians that argue that recent mild winters are wildly unusual:http://archives.cbc.ca/IDC-1-41-1322...ic_games/clip9

I'm not really arguing for or against the 'human-made global warming thoery' but rather pointing out that people have taken grains of speculation and ran with it into the endzone. Yes there's also financial motivation for some of the players on the 'denial' side but to fail to admit that those who support it are all altruistic and super intelligent is rather naive. The same burden of proof and transperency should be placed upon them as well. Letting Al Gore off for not 'walking the walk' doesn't make sense while roasting a 'denial' scientist for taking $10,000 from ExxonMobil (Which probably doesn't even cover the cost of custodial service for his lab for a year let alone seriously contribute to his research.)

08-20-2007, 02:12 PM	#99
Cowboy89 Franchise Player Join Date: Feb 2006 Location: Calgary AB Exp:	Great post Bingo. I think a large portion of this issue centers around the politics. I find it no coincidence that the loudest voices arguing with the Al Gore crowd are people who have either been known to be activists for a laundry list of other unrelated 'causes' or people who have idological issues with capitalism and western lifestyles. People like Al Gore gain because they feel relivent again after being forgotten for years and those who have always hated Western Civilization support it because it appears to be fuel to support it's demise. Of course none of this has anything to do with the actual science of global warming and all to do with the optics. The science itself has become peripheral to the debate as evidenced by such comments as: "Even if it turns out that human contribution to the problem is minimal wouldn't it be better safe than sorry?." Easy for rich first world people to make that comment when they'll only have to endure minimal hardships to reduce carbon consumption. Tell the third world they'll have to power their homes with wind generated power and that millions possibly billions of them must die of economic hardship in the name of reducing carbon for a 'better be safe than sorry' policy. The general public have been duped without adaquate scientific backing as well because they have become sensitive to only the slightest deviations in their local weather and thus blame carbon emitters. Showing clips of 90 year olds stammer incoherently about how much colder it was back in the 20s and 30s hardly qualifies as scientific evidence of anything unless it were to be used in an Alzheimer's drug trial. For all those who don't believe me on this comment tell me how many Grand Prix cars you came across on your last commute. Then count how many on your next commute. You'd be surprised that when you start looking for something you notice it more often, even when it's always been there right under your nose. For Calgarians that argue that recent mild winters are wildly unusual:http://archives.cbc.ca/IDC-1-41-1322...ic_games/clip9 I'm not really arguing for or against the 'human-made global warming thoery' but rather pointing out that people have taken grains of speculation and ran with it into the endzone. Yes there's also financial motivation for some of the players on the 'denial' side but to fail to admit that those who support it are all altruistic and super intelligent is rather naive. The same burden of proof and transperency should be placed upon them as well. Letting Al Gore off for not 'walking the walk' doesn't make sense while roasting a 'denial' scientist for taking $10,000 from ExxonMobil (Which probably doesn't even cover the cost of custodial service for his lab for a year let alone seriously contribute to his research.)