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Originally Posted by Fuzz
Yes, usual suspects...
I think the way you stated that, as if establishing a home land was something that was fait accompli, something required to occur is why we are here. It was something a lot of people wanted. But wanting something doesn't mean it's just tot take it. But then, should, say, the Roma people also have a country carved out for them? Perhaps from where they come from, in India and Pakistan. Or perhaps where they are most populace, in the US. Or perhaps where they have history, in Europe. Do they not deserve their own homeland with their own unique cultures and traditions, if that is the standard? Who else could claim the same?
Yes, this is looking back, but examining history so we don't make the same mistakes is a reasonable thing to do, and no, it doesn't make the question antisemitic in itself.
As a person with Jewish ancestry, I don't have any more connection to there as I do Danzig, where my grandfather fled from. I'm just an individual human, and I don't see a need to tie myself to thousands of year old stuff. I don't feel I have any ancestral claims to it, and I don't really understand those that claim that. I was born Canadian, and that's who I am. This is my home, not Israel. I wish we could all just be humans living places, and drop this tribal and religious baggage the leads to so much death and suffering.
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"Usual Suspects" was referring to those in the Middle East that wanted to gain in power and influence and would use any excuse to do so. I should have been more clear.
Maybe the Roma should have a 'safe-space' allotted to them as they've been persecuted for a long time.
I have no real connection with Israel either. I also see myself as Canadian. However, following a global scale attempt at ethnic cleansing after centuries of other more localized attempts, I can understand why Jews would want somewhere safe to go that they can defend themselves.
And to be clear, I'm not accusing you of anti-semitism. Others have a tendency of taking largely reasonable criticisms about the creation of Israel and turning them into something much more sinister. So, I think it's important to have clarity in the details and intentions.