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Originally Posted by Red Slinger
Jews lived in the area for a long time before the establishment of modern Israel. There were certainly elements that were hostile to the the creation of Israel but it was mostly for, I would argue, the wrong reasons. So do we let bad actors dictate? There was probably a peaceful path for the establishment of Israel but the usual suspects prevented that from happening. I guess my question is, if the area currently known as Israel is not suitable for Jewish homeland because of hostility from their neighbours, where in the world would there be a suitable location? I suspect it would be very similar no matter where they set up.
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Yes, usual suspects...
I think the way you stated that, as if establishing a home land was something that was fait accompli, something required to occur is why we are here. It was something a lot of people wanted. But wanting something doesn't mean it's just tot take it. But then, should, say, the Roma people also have a country carved out for them? Perhaps from where they come from, in India and Pakistan. Or perhaps where they are most populace, in the US. Or perhaps where they have history, in Europe. Do they not deserve their own homeland with their own unique cultures and traditions, if that is the standard? Who else could claim the same?
Yes, this is looking back, but examining history so we don't make the same mistakes is a reasonable thing to do, and no, it doesn't make the question antisemitic in itself.
As a person with Jewish ancestry, I don't have any more connection to there as I do Danzig, where my grandfather fled from. I'm just an individual human, and I don't see a need to tie myself to thousands of year old stuff. I don't feel I have any ancestral claims to it, and I don't really understand those that claim that. I was born Canadian, and that's who I am. This is my home, not Israel. I wish we could all just be humans living places, and drop this tribal and religious baggage the leads to so much death and suffering.