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Originally Posted by Red Slinger
That's fair but your initial comment had much stronger language.
It's unimaginably hard (at least for me) to understand the complexity and difficulty with setting up any new state. In the (let's call it) Jewish colonization of modern Israel there was some violence in the establishment of the new state. Just as there was in Canada, US, Australia, New Zealand, South Africa, etc. During the actual establishment of Israel, you could argue that the level of violence was lesser than what was experienced in the other nations I listed. Most of the violence in Israel and as a result of the forming of the country happened afterwards and most of it was initiated by neighbours who did not necessarily have good intentions. So, if we agree that setting up new countries is messy and bloody then the question, at least for me, is "does that country have a right to exist?" Or does any country have a right to exist if it's founded on bloodshed? If the answer is 'no' then there is probably no country in the world today that 'deserves' to exist.
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Was it inaccurate? I don't think so.
The difference with Israel is it was done in a region surround by those hostile to them, and already occupied by people of similar decent. Conflict was inevitable. If you could go back to that time and show how much death, destruction, and suffering had occurred because of that decision, that 100 years later there is no peace for the Jewish people there, with air raid sirens and constant terrorist attacks, no peace in sight, would it give you pause on the plan? I mean, it should. But I get many think no price is too high to pay for it, which is why we are here, now.
Without the creation of Israel Hamas and Hezbollah probably wouldn't exist. You could debate how devastated the region would be with possible conflict between Shia and Sunni, but it's also possible they would not, and the entire region would be far more peaceful than it is now.
And I'm not saying Israel should be eliminated or destroyed, or that Israel alone is responsible for everything that occurs there, but that looking back, it has not led to the creation of the society they imagined at the time. Nobody would want this. This is all utter ####.