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Originally Posted by Fuzz
Ya, there have been plenty of articles about how they didn't have a plan. What it sounds like is Bibi said he was going to do this with or without the US, and the US said "OK fine" and maybe thought it was going to go like last year when it was 12 days or whatever.
But Israel's plan is scorched Earth, they don't care about human suffering there. They don't really care about the Straight of Hormuz. Their agenda is to decimate Iran so they don't have to worry about terrorist attacks, which is a fair and reasonable desire. I don't fault that goal. But the reality is this will not lead to that. We know this, because there are countless examples from history. Perhaps they know, too, that they are just buying a decade of down time. The reality is you can't get peace with war on a people(not Iran, terrorists) who are not rational actors. Their fundamental philosophies are not compatible with peace with Israel.
They way out of this is long and hard, involving decades of work to turn people from desperation to hope and success so they don't see desperation as the only option. You do this one child at a time. One village, one town, one school. It's hard dedicated work that can fix this. Not bombs. Unfortunately resources for this are scarce, but hey, at least billionaires can have planes and yachts, and now rockets. We reap what we sow.
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I mostly agree with what you said here. Israel has had enough, they made their own mistake letting their guard down on Oct 7th, and you can see the results of that.
I do not think that Israel doesn’t care about the civilians of Iran, or they would be hitting civilian areas that would result in maximum civilian deaths. Now, mistakes have been made, look at US hitting the school, so to say that there haven’t and won’t be more civilian casualties is false. But you have Iran and its proxy’s whose stated goal is death to Israel and death to America, you see them targeting civilians.
If Israel didn’t, or doesn’t attack Iran, what do you think would happen? Well, we have seen what happens. They build up missile and weapons stockpiles and when they get to the point where they think they can inflict significant damage and casualties to Israel, they attack.
I do agree with your last paragraph that the long term way out is through education, hope with jobs and economic development. That is not the path that the current regime in Iran is going down. That’s why they have to change the regime.
Unfortunately, change in Iran and the region reguires conflicts, one side has to be pushed back, so it can be built up through education, economic development, and hope.
As long as Iran’s stated goal is death to Israel and death to America we will continue to see uncertainty and destabilization in the region. If both sides are at least willing to let the other side exist, then there is a chance, and possibly hope that peace can come to the region.