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Originally Posted by Firebot
You are correct yes, it's not the exact equivalent.
But when used as an stereotype in a certain way, it may have the same effect. While Fuzz was not meaning to do it in a derogatory matter (and I fully believe that is not his intent which is why I said to be careful), there are others that do including many of Israel's direct enemies who don't necessarily see a line. Even Hamas claims to make a difference between Jewish and Zionist in recent years, but Zionist can target all Jews within Israel.
I think Israel's actions on Gaza and the West Bank under the guide of Zionism are absolutely deplorable and I've been one to heavily criticize their policies including genocide. I also believe Israel and Palestine as states should co-exist in a 2 party state but that's clearly wishful thinking.
Zionism as a movement started as a peaceful settlement and was not a violent movement (but as a movement and goal inherently conflicts with rights of others).
Anyways sorry I really don't like to get into Zionist / Israel nuance discussions and try to actively abstain from them as there are obvious reasons to be very against Israel action and Zionist movement led actions and but there can be lines crossed at times that fall into the wrong path. Felt that particular line was starting to cross it.
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Well, no, you didn’t tell him to be careful or that he was starting to cross a line, you called it deeply antisemitic.
Personally, I think you’re biting off more than you can chew here. You yourself have suggested Zionism is comparable to something inherently genocidal, which falls outside the standard you’re trying to hold Fuzz to, and given that Red Slinger (who I respect as someone with very measured, thoughtful opinions) is course correcting you here, I think the correct choice is to take the course correction as opposed to trying to explain a movement to him he seems to better understand.