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Originally Posted by powderjunkie

You think NDP MLAs had friends and family telling them they were personally disappointed that their gov't did...lightbulbs?

If you’re going to pretend as though NDP MLAs in Alberta, and their families didn’t hear an earful(whether the ear filler was right or wrong) during their tenure as the ruling party it’s going to be very difficult to have a serious discussion with you.

By your logic teachers defying the order would have simply allowed the UCP to paint them as criminals, doing more damage than good.

Actually that would have made the UCP look pretty incompetent since refusing to work isn’t a crime.

There was no path to success from teachers continuing the strike. UCP would have been delighted to let it continue indefinitely until the labour movement either got their #### together or imploded. But it kinda looks like its imploding anyways given the latest from the Lethbridge firefighters union...seems like it was probably a mistake to go so overtly partisan+political (contrary to many members' personal politics) instead of focusing directly on the collective bargaining issues

Hahaha. Weren’t you the one who got all pissy because you wanted a general strike while you kept working without putting your financial livelihood on the line? One of the biggest reasons a general strike didn’t happen was because the teachers didn’t defy the order. The lack of a general strike is actually one of the reasons why the Lethbridge firefighters left the AFL if you’d bother to a little bit more research into your arguments instead of just cherry picking your facts.

I don't underestimate it at all. The question is WHO is being influenced. The UCP are mainly just going to rile up their existing base. Hearing spin about a recall "failure" isn't getting [m]any lapsed UCP voters off the couch to vote again next time. But IMO recalls staying in the news cycle has better odds of nudging less informed/engaged citizens closer to sanity:

Reluctant UCP voter --> stays home --> protest vote to Alberta Party --> resistance vote to NDP --> tepid NDP supporter --> NDP supporter

There's thousands of people in each category right now. You have 4 years to nudge them on to the next phase. The recall attempts help that more than they hinder it. I don't really care how UCP cult members twist it in their feeble minds. If it sends any reluctant UCP voters backwards then they weren't reluctant to begin with, they were just lying to themselves and others to justify being a ####iot.

I guess when you’re satisfied letting everyone else do the work for you to try and effect the change you want to see it must be easier to focus on hypothetical positives while assuming that there are unlimited chances in life. Ignorance is bliss after all. As I said before, your points are plausible if that provides you with some comfort. I just personally haven’t seen it play out the way you expect consistently.