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Originally Posted by Jiri Hrdina
If you want to do that study properly you would have to normalize for volume of picks and quality of picks. Picking 2003 as your starting point is interesting. Could it be so you could include Patrice Bergeron?
But you are moving the goal posts. I've already highlighted Calgary's periods of drought with bad picks. That's different from the organizations ability to develop skilled players.
So which is it you want to debate. If Calgary drafts well or develops well?
We started in one place and you've now moved to an entirely different topic.
And honestly how relevant is it to look back at things that happened 20 years ago? I guess if you believe nothing has changed in 20 years.
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I'm including 2003 because some of those guys are still playing, and because it's when I started following the Flames again after my first-round PTSD had worn off from the 90s. See my join date.
Dropping 2003 also drops Phaneuf's 1000 games and 500 points so doesn't exactly help the Flames numbers either.
I'm not moving the goalposts. You accused me of having vague assertions unsupported by evidence, and have made several references to long term views ("lost faith"). I fully acknowledge that my views are colored by two decades of consistent disappointment in this organization.
It's honestly crazy that anyone is defending this organization's track record of drafting and development in the last 20 years. It is atrocious. If it is not at the absolute bottom of the league it has to be close. It is only recently starting to rebound, but that's still vibes -- outside of Coronato and Wolf everyone is still really a question mark. Has it actually improved? The jury is out.
If Parekh doesn't turn out, it
could be his fault. There's a lot of story left to be written.
But this year has not been a great start to his time in the organization. I am explaining why this makes me apprehensive, because we have absolutely no track record of righting the ship when it starts to wobble.
You keep asking me for "evidence" about this frustration and apprehension. I've provided what I have. Is there some reason, in your view, that I should not be frustrated and apprehensive about how this year has gone for Zayne in the Flames org?