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Originally Posted by Rhett44
Why would if matter what the management said? Clearly, there is a large group of people based on this forum, that will blindly defend them no matter what they do or say.
Even after that disaster of an interview by Maloney, many people still think everything is great at the top. They treat the Flames fan base like children, and still get praised.
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That is a gross misrepresentation of the view opposed to yours, and you know it perfectly well. The ‘disaster of an interview’ doesn't matter to us because we don't give a damn what some old geezer in the executive suite has to say. We care about what the team actually does. Whether Maloney or anyone else uses the word ‘rebuild’ is completely unimportant. What matters is that every move the team has actually made has been in the direction of a rebuild, and every move they could have made to compete immediately, they have refrained from doing. They didn't spend their cap space, they didn't trade away picks or prospects (except in the Frost-Farabee deal, in which the roster actually got younger), and they didn't sign high-priced free agents. Those are facts.
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Just look at the facts more than anything. The last rebuilding type trade was the Markstrom trade 1.5 years ago. In the last year and a half, we have done nothing to indicate we are rebuilding. And shopping Andersson finally does not count, because he is an expiring contract that they are forced to do something about.
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Are they trading him for help now? No, every indication is that they are trading him for futures. That definitely counts as a rebuilding trade. They could have done it as a hockey trade and got a roster player back. Nothing compels them to ask for a 1st-round pick as the biggest (or any) part of the return, but Conroy has actually said in public that he wants to add another 1st, and the rumoured returns from various teams all appear to include a 1st, a prospect, and NO roster players.
Don't tell people to ‘look at the facts’ when you yourself are persistently ignoring every fact that does not reinforce your views.
It seems to me that this entire argument is not between pro- and anti-rebuild people – there are no anti-rebuild people on CP. It's between people who believe that actions matter more than words, and people who believe that words matter more than actions. I'm surprised you're not an Oiler fan, since there are so many words out there aimed at convincing you that they're the greatest team in the league.