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Originally Posted by habernac
200 wins will be the new standard i think.
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It depends. When you think HOF do you think David Wells, Mike Mussina or Jamie Moyer? All products of the 5 man rotation.
Mussina when he was in Baltimore was close to a Hall of fame type pitcher who was dominant, but if he had put up the same numbers he has with the yankees with another team, he'd probably be around 180. None of these guys have really been dominant, or only were for a little while - they've just hung around and picked up the wins with durability and consistancy.
It is really subjective, because the best pitchers can't all be winners and wrack up guady win totals. But I do agree, 300 wins is just far, far too much to expect from a guy in this era. I think perception has to play a role in it as well. When you think of dominance in the AL, you think of 2 guys - Santana and Halladay, always at the top of the leader board as far as wins, strikeouts, era is concerned for the last 2 years. I think when you look for members of the hall, if you're considered to be a top flight guy for 7-10 years, maybe that should be doing it instead of looking just at the numbers.