Originally Posted by Calgary4LIfe
This will blow people's minds. Are you ready?
The 2012-13 Calgary Flames rebuild was not even close to this rebuild in terms of players traded out. NOT EVEN CLOSE. If Conroy was to make the same moves so far in the last couple of seasons that Feaster made - but without declaring a 'rebuild' - people's heads would explode. Let me illustrate this:
Towards the deadline 2013:
Iginla, Bouwmeester and Comeau for futures (yes, 5th round pick for Comeau).
2013 off-season deals:
Calgary Corban Knight - Florida 4th round pick
Calgary Jones and O'Brien - Colorado Tanguay and Sarich
Calgary TJ Galiardi - Sharks 4th round pick
Calgary Kris Russell - St. Louis 5th round pick
Calgary Joe Colborne - Leafs conditional 4th round pick
Feaster went out and bought a bunch of players for futures. Some were young-ish, some were vets. Instead of just selling Tanguay and Sarich for picks, he sells them for useless junk.
During the 2013-14 season:
Calgary Smid and Roy - Edmonton Horak and Brossoit
Calgary 6th round pick - Anaheim Jackman
Calgary MacDermid - Dallas 6th round pick
Calgary Westgarth - Carolina Nemisz
Calgary 3rd round pick - Pittsburgh Stempniak
Calgary 2nd round pick - Colorado Berra
Feaster basically bought and sold players. Brought in more vets and traded young players out, traded a low pick for a vet, and recouped some picks sending out players too. Really a mixed-bag.
2014 Off-season: (Treliving's first - still supposed to be rebuilding)
Calgary Bollig - Chicago 3rd round pick
2014 - 15 season:
Calgary Shore - Florida Knight
Calgary 2nd and 3rd - Washington Glencross
Calgary 2nd round pick - Vancouver Baertschi
Calgary Hamilton - Boston 1st + 2 2nd round picks
Calgary cond 4th - Nashville Reinhart
Calgary F. Hamilton - Colorado 7th
Calgary Shinkaruk - Vancouver Grandlund
Calgary 2nd and 4th - Florida Hudler
Calgary Backstrom and 6th - Minnesota Jones
Mixed bag, but did more selling than buying. Doing some 'change of scenery trades' on young failed prospects,.
Contrast that to Conroy. He has made exactly 2 trades in 3 seasons to 'improve the team':
Okhotyiuk - 5th round pick
Frost Farabee - 2nd round pick + Pelletier
These were just the trades. Conroy has essentially continued to trade guys out for futures. In the last "This is definitely a rebuild because the GM said so and NOBODY questions it", there was a LOT of trades involving sending futures OUT in exchange for vets.
If you look at the comparative signings, it would blow your mind wide open too. Flames have barely made UFA signings. Treliving in his first off-season made more UFA signings than Conroy has in his first 3 seasons so far.
But under Conroy, the Flames are not rebuilding because no rebuild has been declared, but there was definitely a rebuild because Feaster declared it. Let's just ignore the actual differences in moves made, right? Let's ignore the fact that the Flames so far - unlike the 2014 Flames - did not go out and spend to the cap. Conroy still has a lot of cap room. He hasn't traded youth for vets (unlike Feaster). I bet that Conroy can flip Frost for more assets than he spent so far on players, and maybe he ends up doing that next season.
I just don't really get it any longer. "Flames need to pivot and rebuild", "I wish this team would rebuild, but they won't.", Vancouver is proactive and started their rebuild right away, but Calgary hasn't."
The Flames are doing a MUCH MORE COMPREHENSIVE REBUILD then they did last time kicking off in the 2012-13 season. Way more players were traded out (and counting), way more futures were brought in, way more picks were made at the draft (including at the top), and no real vets were brought in through trades or even much in the way of UFA signings. I guess the Flames never did rebuild at all in their history then, if we can't definitively state that Calgary is firmly in the midst of a rebuild today.
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