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Originally Posted by PaperBagger'14
My viewpoint isn’t truth and I’ve never claimed it to be that and no one has to fix anything, that’s the beauty of discussion. There’s a huge difference between understanding someone’s opinion and agreeing with it. Someone who isn’t capable of understanding others views is flawed, not whether they agree with those views or not. Further to that, it’s up to each individual how much value they apply to others opinions. I’m sure some people couldn’t care less about what I think, and that’s fine, I feel that way about some posters too. I tend to not value boot lickers.
We do not need to treat stupidity and stubbornness with kid gloves, it needs to get called out, it’s a welcome change on this board from the homerism.
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Ok, I'll respond point by point here:
1) You're insisting your viewpoint “isn’t truth,” but in your original post you literally framed your issues of GioforPM as something they should “look inward” and fix because you believe multiple people agreed with you. That’s presenting your opinion as objective whether you intend it or not. And calling someone an “ass kisser” isn’t exactly the neutral, good faith “beauty of discussion” you’re describing here.
2) You've also shifted the goalposts. In the first post I quoted, you said you “can’t beat up on someone with facts when the person is fundamentally flawed.” That’s a pretty absolute judgment about a person, not their argument. Now you’re saying a person is flawed only if they “aren’t capable of understanding others’ views.”
3) The “I tend not to value boot lickers” bit just reinforces the problem: you are framing people you disagree with in the most uncharitable way possible, then use those labels to justify why you don’t have to engage with them.
4) Calling things out isn’t the issue. The issue is using labels like “stupid,” “stubborn,” “ass kisser,” or “fundamentally flawed” as shortcuts so you don’t have to actually deal with the argument. You say this isn’t about treating people with kid gloves but there’s a big difference between challenging someone’s ideas and writing them off as soon as they push back.
Insults and absolutes don't generate anything but the toxic communication we've been unadulterated with lately in all areas of life. We can all be more respectful and kinder to people in our community, even if we disagree with them. I don't think that's a lot to ask to be very honest.