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Originally Posted by Sliver
Rav4s suck. I can't believe how popular they are. Tinny, buzzy, cheap feeling, terrible cabin noise...just so crappy. My mom bought one new in 2019. I could never get over how blah it was for how much love they get.
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The whole Toyota thing is really interesting in this timeline. We are long past the days where their vehicles were built to a higher quality standard. IMO Honda and Mazda vehicles are clearly higher quality as Toyota now only used good stuff in Lexus vehicles. Their reliability is still tops but the gap has closed a lot over the decades and it's almost splitting hairs in the automakers that frequent the top 10.
Honestly I don't know how anyone could cross shop a Civic, Mazda 3, and Corolla and end up with the Toyota. The Corolla has the cheapest interior in the segment, tight for interior space (considerably vs the Civic) vs the competition, anemic engine and mediocre driving dynamics vs the competition. If it had a Nissan badge, few would buy it. Maybe not even Nissan fans (believe it or not, they still exist).
Then you have the RAV4. It's the F150 of CUV's. License to print money for Toyota. Junk interior, circa 2010 infotainment system, and I challenge anyone in 2025 to find a less refined engine than the 2.5L. It's like it was designed by an upstart carmaker that has no prior history designing an engine. Yeah it's likely going to be fairly reliable but the average person spends at least 60 minutes a day in their vehicle. If you want to sit in a POS for an hour every single day of your life because it may have one less dealer tip in its lifetime over the competition then have at it. I strive to spend valuable time in my life in nicer places, experiencing a nicer drive.
Most people would be best served bypassing the Toyota dealership and buying an Honda instead. The Civic and Accord in particular are almost a class above in every way.