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Originally Posted by GGG
The pro labour position on the environment would be to maximize employment today by maximizing carbon intensive industries while they are still acceptable while ensuring the country is transitioning to greener industries over time.
Essentially you wouldn’t care about the emissions internally accept as to pay lip service to international trade while at the same time targeting industries for future growth.
You wouldn’t acknowledge climate science but from an emissions rules point of view you wouldn’t acknowledge climate acknowledge that what Canada does doesn’t matter. (I don’t like this position but it is the pro labour one)
So pro-pipeline, pro-solar, pro-nuke, pro-gas, pro-wind.
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Thanks for that. I had to reflect on it a bunch to try and wrap my head around "blinders on and just advocate for more jobs". I definitely think Rob is the guy for that. It is not really the movement that would get me excited but I think I understand the position better now.
However, even with that idea, I think the pro-labour movement needs to be more informed / refined then just "more jobs". Obviously there is a line that says not all jobs are good jobs.
- You don't want to try to force the creation of jobs at blockbuster after it has been made obsolete.
- Also, there needs to be efficiency in the workforce. People fear the idea of a union that hires 3 or 4 people to do the job of 1 person. It turns into that meme of 3+ guys watching 1 guy work.
- Or what about return on investment. What if Canada kicks off a _____ project that is going to start building in 2032 but in 2030 we actually hit peak ____ because China straight up stops buying _____. Would a pro-labour government build the _____ anyway (even if it never gets used) because "more jobs" or would you redirect the billions and billions of dollars to do something else that would have more benefit to the nation? I would hope it is the latter but a pro-labour person might not care.
Interesting to consider.
For me personally, I would hope that Labour be one of the primary pillars of the NDP but not the only one. They need to capture the progressive populist and socialists groups like Mamdani did in NYC. If you try to ignore the climate crisis and just focus on jobs, you may gain a bunch of small c conservatives but you'll probably lose more progressives than it is worth.