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Jason14h · 11-03-2025, 08:01 PM

I don’t think theres any chance they bring Bieber back. They didn’t trust him for a game 7 over old man Max, and they didn’t trust him out of the bullpen until everyone else useful was gone, to which he repaid us by losing the game

I think theres a very very low chance Bo is back.

With the other UFA that leaves that at ~210 million after Arb

Here is what I see locked in so far

1. Springer DH (R)
2. Barger 3B (L)
3. Vladdy 1B (R)
4. Clement SS
5. Varsho CF (L)
6. Kirk C (R)
7. Santander LF (S)
8. Lukes/Schnieder RF
9. Giminez SS (L)

Bench - Heineman , Lukes , Straw , Schneider Loperfido , Someone

Pitching gets a bit weird. There has been complete silence around Berrios all playoffs. There seems like there may be something ‘off’ between him and the team. There is also rumors the Red Sox asked for him for Devers and the Jays said no – so league wide there was interest in him.

I do wonder if the Jays look to trade him this offseason / If he would want to be traded.

Lauer is a Arb 3 with a projection of 5.5 million. That seems high for a player they didn’t trust to use at all in the playoffs or down the stretch.

This is what we have on paper, but both the above could be gone. Assuming they were, that’s another 25 million free.

SP1 - Gausman
SP2 - ?
SP3 - Yesavage
SP4 - ?
SP5 – ??

CL - Hoffman
SU - Garcia
SU - Varland

Rest of the BP arms to build with - Fluharty, Little, , Rodriguez, Fisher, Nance, Sandlin, Bruihl, Burr, etc

I don’t see them exceeding the 280 million tier for luxury tax, so they have 70 million with Berrios or Lauer and 95 million without

I do wonder if Max would want to come back on a team friendly deal at his age and with how much he has made in his career. Something around 8-10 million.

Notable FA Pitchers: Not a lot in the age range you would like – I think they could go for Suarez, King, and Gallen.

Dylan Cease (30, 8.1)
Framber Valdez (32, 7.7)
Ranger Suárez (30, 7.5)
Jack Flaherty (30, 5.9) -- can opt out
Nick Martinez (35, 5.5)
Chris Bassitt (37, 4.8)
Michael King (31, 4.7)
Zac Gallen (30, 3.9)
Merrill Kelly (37, 3.8)
Zack Littell (30, 3.7)
Patrick Corbin (36, 3.6)
Erick Fedde (33, 3.2)
Justin Verlander (43, 2.9)
Zach Eflin (32, 2.6)
Kyle Hendricks (36, 2.2)
Miles Mikolas (37, 2.2)
Nestor Cortes (31, 2.1)
Adrian Houser (33, 2.1)
Tyler Mahle (31, 2.1)
Lucas Giolito (30, 2.0)

Clement basically did what he did the year before (1 more WAR) and Kirk had the same WAR as the previous 2 seasons

As much as we love Bo, the reality is he was only worth 3.5 WAR last year, so hardly irreplaceable. Springer is likely to decline from 4.8, but a 2.5 isn’t unlikely. So we will have to make up ~ 6 WAR from hitting,

I don’t think its unlikely to think Vlad, Santandar and Varsho over a whole season don’t make that up.

The bullpen was meh at best this year, so it’s not unlikely to think they can be as good or better.

So really the SPing is where there is a ton of Q’s, but we have between 70-95 million to address it (and maybe 1 more bullpen power arm)

The biggest thing they need is a true ace – Maybe try to trade for Peralta or Joe Ryan. Trading for guys with term is something the Jays have historically done.

Here is some of the rumored available players
https://www.mlbtraderumors.com/2025/...offseason.html

I think the opening line will be around 88 wins for this team.

11-03-2025, 08:01 PM	#78
Jason14h Franchise Player Join Date: Oct 2005 Exp:	I don’t think theres any chance they bring Bieber back. They didn’t trust him for a game 7 over old man Max, and they didn’t trust him out of the bullpen until everyone else useful was gone, to which he repaid us by losing the game I think theres a very very low chance Bo is back. With the other UFA that leaves that at ~210 million after Arb Here is what I see locked in so far 1. Springer DH (R) 2. Barger 3B (L) 3. Vladdy 1B (R) 4. Clement SS 5. Varsho CF (L) 6. Kirk C (R) 7. Santander LF (S) 8. Lukes/Schnieder RF 9. Giminez SS (L) Bench - Heineman , Lukes , Straw , Schneider Loperfido , Someone Pitching gets a bit weird. There has been complete silence around Berrios all playoffs. There seems like there may be something ‘off’ between him and the team. There is also rumors the Red Sox asked for him for Devers and the Jays said no – so league wide there was interest in him. I do wonder if the Jays look to trade him this offseason / If he would want to be traded. Lauer is a Arb 3 with a projection of 5.5 million. That seems high for a player they didn’t trust to use at all in the playoffs or down the stretch. This is what we have on paper, but both the above could be gone. Assuming they were, that’s another 25 million free. SP1 - Gausman SP2 - ? SP3 - Yesavage SP4 - ? SP5 – ?? CL - Hoffman SU - Garcia SU - Varland Rest of the BP arms to build with - Fluharty, Little, , Rodriguez, Fisher, Nance, Sandlin, Bruihl, Burr, etc I don’t see them exceeding the 280 million tier for luxury tax, so they have 70 million with Berrios or Lauer and 95 million without I do wonder if Max would want to come back on a team friendly deal at his age and with how much he has made in his career. Something around 8-10 million. Notable FA Pitchers: Not a lot in the age range you would like – I think they could go for Suarez, King, and Gallen. Dylan Cease (30, 8.1) Framber Valdez (32, 7.7) Ranger Suárez (30, 7.5) Jack Flaherty (30, 5.9) -- can opt out Nick Martinez (35, 5.5) Chris Bassitt (37, 4.8) Michael King (31, 4.7) Zac Gallen (30, 3.9) Merrill Kelly (37, 3.8) Zack Littell (30, 3.7) Patrick Corbin (36, 3.6) Erick Fedde (33, 3.2) Justin Verlander (43, 2.9) Zach Eflin (32, 2.6) Kyle Hendricks (36, 2.2) Miles Mikolas (37, 2.2) Nestor Cortes (31, 2.1) Adrian Houser (33, 2.1) Tyler Mahle (31, 2.1) Lucas Giolito (30, 2.0) Clement basically did what he did the year before (1 more WAR) and Kirk had the same WAR as the previous 2 seasons As much as we love Bo, the reality is he was only worth 3.5 WAR last year, so hardly irreplaceable. Springer is likely to decline from 4.8, but a 2.5 isn’t unlikely. So we will have to make up ~ 6 WAR from hitting, I don’t think its unlikely to think Vlad, Santandar and Varsho over a whole season don’t make that up. The bullpen was meh at best this year, so it’s not unlikely to think they can be as good or better. So really the SPing is where there is a ton of Q’s, but we have between 70-95 million to address it (and maybe 1 more bullpen power arm) The biggest thing they need is a true ace – Maybe try to trade for Peralta or Joe Ryan. Trading for guys with term is something the Jays have historically done. Here is some of the rumored available players https://www.mlbtraderumors.com/2025/...offseason.html I think the opening line will be around 88 wins for this team. Last edited by Jason14h; 11-03-2025 at 08:06 PM.