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Originally Posted by powderjunkie

You were responding directly to my post; the implication was quite clear that you included me amongst the keyboard warriors you were referencing. Which is fine, the shoe fits.

That was a fun little merry go round.

Sorry, I'm not going to start that petition. But I'd happily sign it. I care deeply about a lot of progressive causes. Unions don't really make my list. I'm sure I take everything they've done for me for granted and I'm sorry.

Ok maybe give them time to get it going for you. In the meantime stop complaining that they’re not doing enough for you when you’re not willing to help and admittedly can’t be bothered to support them beyond signing a piece of paper.

This is an odd time to grind your axe about our past collective failures. I'd imagine 90% of the people vowing support right now have been voting orange since at least 2015. Sorry so many of our neighbours suck, I guess? I'm also sorry I haven't personally taken up the union cause all these years...Is that what you need to hear?

I was already aware. It’s too bad you think doing the same thing as before is going to lead to a different result.

Unions definitely have a big PR problem. Most of it is probably unfair. I won't even try to suggest that any of the oft-repeated criticisms you mention are true or justified in any way...but I will say that nothing I've seen or heard in the last few days has done anything to disabuse me of those notions.

You’re making it harder and harder for me to give any credibility to your claims that you’re wanting to support unions.

Personally, I'm ambivalent about my own experience working within a union, but I'm still generally supportive overall.

How have you been generally supportive? Like all BS aside, what have you recently or ever actually done to support the labour movement? I’m not asking to be a jerk or as some sort of got ya, I’m just pointing out that this is why unions would be skeptical of how much support the public would actually give them.

Not voting for the UCP because you don’t care for their views on certain things outside of their labour policies but being willing to vote for them if they change the views you disagree with while maintaining their anti-labour policies doesn’t qualify.

Helping a movement that is strongly opposed by very powerful people who spend billions globally fighting it unfortunately requires a little more effort than being neutral.

But this week's messaging hasn't really moved the needle for me in that regard. I just don't want to see any of our rights trampled, even if it doesn't apply to me personally (yet).

Well I hate to break it to you but you’re already seeing our rights being trampled yet you still don’t appear to be willing to do anything other than sign a petition and that’s just not going to change anything. Blaming unions for not doing enough when to do more they clearly need help that you’re not willing to actually give them isn’t likely a winning strategy either.

All good ideas. You guys gotta figure out a better PR game. Chastising new and existing supporters for the broader failures of the past ain't it.

I don’t disagree that Unions would benefit from better PR but I disagree with your characterization that I’m chastising you or anyone else. I’m being upfront and honest about the problems that are preventing the labour movement from being a more effective catalyst for positive change and suggesting practical solutions to those problems. How would you like for me to sugar coat it for you?

Most (non-union supporters/members)people that I talk to about this stuff in person genuinely seem to appreciate the no BS approach I take. I guess you would prefer that I take the AFL’s approach of overpromising and under delivering even though that seemed to disappoint you in the end. To each their own I guess.

I definitely would not trust us to not elect another despicable government. That's why we need to act ASAP.

Then why don’t you want to actually DO anything about it ASAP? Expecting everyone else to do things for you is rarely the fastest way to get anything done.

Convincing each other is a two way street. Lots of us still have your backs. But I think the movement lost a lot of steam yesterday afternoon and it will continue to wane with each day that passes. Blame the rest of us if it makes you feel better, I guess?

I’m not blaming you for anything. I’m saying quit complaining that others aren’t doing enough for you when you don’t want to do anything to help them.