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Originally Posted by Devils'Advocate
First off, I support the mission in Afghanistan and a couple months ago when I lived in Ottawa Centre I wrote my NDP MP (whom I voted for and would again if I still lived there) stating that I thought the NDP were doing a dis-service to the Afghan people who want and need us there.
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Good for you, nice job
BUT what I'm not getting here is why conservatives are bashing Jack for his "negotiate with the Taliban" comment. The Taliban are not listed as a terrorist group by any nation that I know of. They overthrew a corrupt Afghan government and instituted an efficient and strong government. Yes, it was obviously mysogynistic and oppressive, but that doesn't make it a terrorist group. [/quote]
It was hardly an efficient government, as it couldn't and wouldn't provide the basics to its own people. Marginalized and brutalized a section of its own population (Woman). But your right, it was a strong government, I mean the way that they suckered those international charity groups into refurbishing the football stadium so that the new re-enforced goal posts could support multiple hangings. The Olympic swimming pool was effective in improving the diving training for thier prisoners, too bad that the Taliban forgot that the pool should be filled with water.
Now you've got the Taliban running around the country side executing its own civilians, selectively kidnapping civilians and hacking thier heads off. Parking car bombs in the middle of civilian areas. Executing teachers.
They are the classical definition of both a terrorist group, and a malignant entity. There is no way that they should be negotiated with. They need to be exterminated. Remember that prior to the start of this war, one of the key taliban exports was terrorist training, and acting as a meeting and resting point for various terrorist groups.
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Originally Posted by Devils'Advocate
Why is it that right wingers laud negotiations with Kim Jong-Il while laughing at the notion of negotiating with the Taliban? And don't tell me one side has the bomb and the other doesn't. There appears to be a serious philosophical contradiction here that goes beyond "well it's okay to negotiate with Kim Jong-Il because we're scared less of him".
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Nice generalization, unfortunately, the two sides are different, and the fact that the North Korean's have the bomb is hugely relevant. Combine that with the fact that South Korea's capital is well within range of several thousand pieces of tubed and rocket artillary and you have a tactical problem. Also Kim Jong-Il is in power, and is unlikely to be deposed, and has a massive military, so unless your willing to go in at a cost of 100 of thousands of troops, and probably millions of civilian lives, you have to negotiate with him, as gross a concept as there is.
The Taliban is out of power, is not a legit government, and has shown that it likes to strike out at civilians, Plus we've also seen what they did when they were in power.
There is a huge difference between the two.