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Originally Posted by TorqueDog
Yeah, we do get a bit too into the weeds on sh-t like this. We just can't help ourselves, it's like when a Border Collie sees a squirrel, and-...
I knew the bad-faith argument would make an appearance sooner or later.
The driver is entirely responsible for causing the collision. Full stop.
What I'm saying is that responsibility for causing an event and responsibility for protecting yourself from other people's mistakes are two different things. One is moral and legal, the other is practical. You can be completely blameless and still have made choices that didn't help your odds of avoiding harm from someone else's fu-k-up.
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It’s not a bad faith argument. Your and Fuzz’s position is more like a 90/10 or 80/20 responsibility split, though I’m not sure why you’re avoiding stating that outright. In an event that involves two people, one where force is applied from one to another, it’s impossible for one person to have all the blame/responsibility for the event and for the other to have some, too. You’re then talking about an event where there is >100% responsibility/blame, which isn’t how it works, so you have to acknowledge that the driver isn’t entirely responsible for the event if the victim is partially responsible for the event.
There might be some “facts” that led to the event occurring. Like, it is a fact she walked in a crosswalk, it is a fact she didn’t jump out of the way, etc. And I think pointing that out is fine, but then assigning responsibility for not doing those things is different.
Is it fair to say she didn’t jump out of the way, or try to run past, or stop before the van approached? Yes, facts! Is it victim blaming or putting
responsibility on her to do those things, and thus removing responsibility from the driver, when suggesting she should have walked smarter, had less negligent parents, stopped staring at her non existent phone, etc? Also yes.
I also think the “state of online discourse” comment was kind of funny as there’s nothing more prevalent in online discourse than seeing someone become a victim of something and criticising/pointing out all the ways they should have known better.