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Originally Posted by FanIn80
I see both sides.
I'm on board with Conroy and I share the same vision he has. I'm not always on board with how it translates to the ice, but that's more on coaching and identity than anything else.
Having said that, we are absolutely NOT in a full-blown rebuild. Don't be fooled by all the vets we've traded away. We tried everything we could do to keep those players, and only eventually traded them as an absolute last resort.
- Tanev wanted out, but there was a report that he would have stayed if we paid him extra.
- Lindholm wanted out and wouldn't even sign the contract that he asked for when we tried to give it to him.
- Zadorov wanted out becuase he was fed up with the mentality of the team/dressing room/organization/etc (ie. he hates losing and our room at the time seemed ok with it).
- Hanifin wanted out and told us he wasn't going to re-sign with us. We still kept him all year and tried to extend him right up until the deadline.
- Marktsrom was done with us. He was mad about something I can't remember and wanted out.
Toffoli and Mangiapane are probably the only two instances where an argument could be made that it was our decision to trade them. Mangiapane for sure, Toffoli is a bit more grey, as he says he told Tree that wanted to stay, but then Conny never talked to him about extending so he asked Conny to move him.
So... I think "full-blown rebuild" is a bit of a stretch. A much more apt term would be "as-blown-as-we're-allowed-to-be-and-only-because-everyone-wanted-out reconfiguration".
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This is a weird recounting of events, most of these things never happened.
Tanev and Lindholm both would’ve stayed for more money that was never offered… so how can you say they decided whether they moved or not?
Lindholm specifically came out and said he would have stayed, so I don’t know where you heard we met his ask and he still said no.
Zadorov, like Toffoli, requested a trade because the Flames didn’t offer them a contract. Zadorov specifically said he requested it because he thought it was disrespectful other guys got one and he didn’t.
And the reason Markstrom was mad (that you can’t remember) is he specifically asked not to hear about trade talks and he kept hearing about it while he was actively being shopped lol.
The only guy on your list the Flames were essentially forced into trading was Hanifin, who it seems like they did want to keep.
I seriously have no idea why people bend over backwards and make things up to reframe the Flames clearing house as anything less than it was. They tried to get guys for contracts that would have worked for the team, which the guys didn’t accept, so they traded them. Acting like the players forced them into it when the Flames could’ve gone and met those offers or kept those players that had contracts remaining is bizarre.