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Originally Posted by Yamer
"People love what I have to say. They believe in it. They just don't like the word 'Nazi'. That's all" - Stormfront, The Boys, Season 2, Episode 8
Man, I always seem to keep thinking back to this scene from a show with an irreverant take on superheroes in modern America. Boy, does it encompass posters like Gordon Bombay, The Boy Wonder, Goriders, ComixZone, The Fonz, calgarygeolist, Language, and a litany of other honorable mentions I don't really have the ambition to source right now.
People like Charlie Kirk have somehow obfuscated the terms 'fascist' and 'Nazi' in such a way that that people feel OK absorbing, embodying, and espousing the ideology while brushing aside the labels. They'll even claim the words have been so dilluted they're meaningless.
The problem for them is that the rest of us are not so easily drawn in and manipulated, so when we hear, read, and witness fascist ideology we're entirely comfortable calling you what you are: Nazis.
Although you've repeatedly and vigorously whinged about the label, it seems you're entirely comfortable with the tenets. While I chuckle and embrace the implications behind people calling me woke, socialist, liberal, or libtard, you're trying to re-brand and victimize yourselves as if you're some yin to a yang that just needs to find a more digestible classification.
By all means and with great enthusiasm, keep labeling me with the aforementioned terms of what I consider endearment. I will keep calling out your fascist rhetoric and Nazi behaviour for what they are. If you don't like it, maybe don't be such a fascist Nazi.
And you know what, maybe you're not a fascist Nazi. Maybe you just felt compelled to show up in this and other threads and tell us all how we're horrible, disgusting, and mentally ill people for calling a spade a spade and not being the bleeding heart, idealistic liberals your information bubbles have convinced you we are.
It's not a great look to virtue signal for a tried and true Nazi when the best you can offer is that "he had a different opinion" and "he was a husband and father", while also deriding our mental health and wishing us to befall the same fate.
Your call to humanism falls flat, much like Charlie Kirk did on September 10th. Too soon?
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While it can't be debated that Trump is doing his best impression of what a pro-Isreal adolf would look like in the 21st century and the nazi insinuations are calling a spade a spade (not just petty name calling, which is what Trump and many of his supporters seem to think it is - and to them I'd suggest picking up a history textbook and noting the parallels) no one can take you or anybody on the left seriously going forward as proponents for human life if you just pick and choose when they matter and when it's fine to devalue them because of a moral or ideological impasse.
Charlie carved out a niche of debating and spreading messages to young americans, and basically monopolized the gig. While he was shooting fish in a barrel given that they're young, inexperienced and impressionable, the dems could've sent in their own, saner version of Kirk to combat him in that arena but they didn't do s#### about it. They earned that election loss and it was entirely their own faults for being out of touch with young voters.
As valid as some of the points you make are, still this guilty by association thing that the left does (granting the person in question a less than human status in their mind) is a really icky tendency of outspoken left leaning individuals.
Maybe more of you should take after Harris on this one and choose decency as a response to a murder. If you want to make your point while remaining in line with the values your public figures preach then make it without stooping by making distasteful remarks about a guy that is already deceased and whose reign of terror on campuses is now concluded (like, stop.. he's dead).
In theory, any well educated liberal can and should clean house with a mass of Charlie supporters, but they let their emotions get the best of them and instead lean into exactly that profile that the right stereotypes liberals as and just further solidifies and emboldens that view.
Biggest problem in my view with passionate leftists is that they do at times forget their humanity in their quest for proving right and wrong. What's frustrating is that they don't have to.
That's the sad part. Public figures on the right are largely full of #### and wrong on many counts, but even with an arsenal of facts at their disposal, the left still manage to get roped in emotionally and completely lose their composure.
You guys need to learn to handle those you disagree with like Alex O'Connor (an atheist) handled a room full of christians and mormons. He rolled over them with his knowledge of the bible and history without losing his cool even once (or mocking/scorning his opponent). And in the end that scored a lot of points with the religious individuals, and many of them came away with more willingness to learn and be open to new perspectives.
You guys are your own worst enemies with how you continually show up exactly how they expect. With such a condescending demeanor, no wonder they don't listen.
Switch up your approach, you're smart enough (I hope). But maybe at the end of the day you guys are just in love with hating and belittling the right and the hit you get from it more than educating and setting an example of civility without descending into hypocrisy.