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Originally Posted by Language
The American Politics thread where this is being discussed at length, is absolutely ghoulish and filled with such hate and disgusting comments. It’s literally repulsive how sick in the head people can be.
The ironic thing is that everyone there calling him a Nazi and fascist, is exactly the extreme and dangerous language that contributes to political violence.
People can’t even express their political opinions anymore without being labeled with these terms, which in turn, motivates these psycho lone wolf shooters in thinking that murdering someone with a dissenting “hateful” opinion is a righteous cause.
And beyond that, it’s not even clear what a “Nazi” or “fascist” even means these days. You have people on both sides of the political spectrum labeling the other as such.
It creates such a dangerous environment where there can’t even be peaceful and dissenting political discourse.
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First of all
Yes, we should never dilute the meaning of a "fascist" or a "nazi in order to hold our positions as superior.
These are the core tenets of a fascist below, per Grok:
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Core Tenet Description Historical Example or Source
Extreme Nationalism Fervent belief in the superiority and unity of the nation, often tied to ethnic or racial identity, subordinating individual interests to the collective national good. Mussolini's promotion of Italian imperial destiny and Hitler's Aryan supremacy ideology.
Militarism Glorification of military strength, aggressive expansion, and the use of force to achieve national goals. Italy's invasion of Ethiopia under Mussolini and Germany's rearmament leading to World War II.
Authoritarian Leadership and Cult of Personality Centralized power around a charismatic leader portrayed as infallible, with a natural hierarchy justifying elite rule. Hitler's role as Führer and Mussolini's "Il Duce" persona, reinforced through rallies and propaganda.
Contempt for Democracy and Liberalism Rejection of electoral processes, individual rights, and pluralism in favor of total state control. Suppression of opposition parties in Italy (1920s) and fraudulent elections in Nazi Germany.
Corporatism and Economic Control State-directed economy where corporate power is protected, labor is suppressed, and private enterprise serves national interests. Italy's Charter of Labor (1927) integrating businesses under fascist oversight.
Identification of Enemies/Scapegoats Unifying the populace by demonizing internal or external enemies, such as minorities, communists, or intellectuals. Nazi propaganda against Jews and Bolsheviks as threats to the German volk.
Controlled Mass Media and Propaganda State domination of media to spread ideology, suppress dissent, and build the leader's image. Goebbels' Ministry of Propaganda in Nazi Germany controlling all information flow.
Supremacy of Nation over Individual Subordination of personal freedoms and human rights to the state's and nation's demands. Fascist Italy's emphasis on the all-embracing state where no values exist outside it.
There's not a lot of gray area. Charlie Kirk pretty much was a verbatim modern example of each one.
An extreme nationalist? Yes. A white christian nationalist.
Militarism? This person supported annexing OUR ####ING COUNTRY
#3? If you can't see the MAGA world of Donald Trump as being that one verbatim, you're gaslighting yourself.
Contempt for democracy and liberalism? I'll let the folks here debate that but it's pretty clear he used motte-and-bailey fallacies to attack these items and then reframe his positions to seem more valid.
Corporatism and economic control? Uh, yeah. Anyone who supports the MAGA movement, so just about every Republican American fits this one.
Enemies and scapegoats? Charlie Kirk was the definition of this one. Black People. Trans people. Feminists. Islam. The list goes on.
Controlled mass media and propaganda? This was literally how he made a living.
As for the last one, it goes back to white christian nationalism, and his strong position on it.
This isn't some gray area where people to the left of some spectrum are calling people on the other side of centre fascists.
This is a world where the political spectrum in most western nations, Canada included, has moved so far right, that the only thing left to the right is fascism. And people who condone it should not be allowed a get out of jail free card for saying "Oh but I just vote Conversative because I don't like to pay a lot of taxes"
That's a ####ing problem if you can't see how far the spectrum has shifted.