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Originally Posted by ThePrince
I’ll just go ahead and keep posting this, maybe you’ll actually read it one of these times and reply.
https://www.nytimes.com/2025/07/15/o...estinians.html
I know me and Pepsi won’t change your mind. But I’m curious how someone who is literally a Professor of Holocaust and Genocide studies at an Ivy League university, and who just happens to be Israeli and a former IDF member, doesn’t change your mind and what your response to this article is. |
I’ve read this article you posted before.
Just because he’s a Professor of Holocaust and Genocide studies and a former IDF officer - that doesn’t mean I have to agree with his viewpoint or take his opinion as fact. I can equally point to Mosab Hassan Yousef, who has renounced the pro-Palestine movement, and is literally the son of the co-founder of Hamas, and question how it’s possible that you don’t agree with him. After all, who can better speak on the situation than someone who was born into the movement?
Similarly, there were many scholarly professors and esteemed MD’s who passionately spoke out against the COVID vaccines and said they were a hoax. Should we all just be listening to them too?
My point is, you keep referencing this one article and making it seem like this person’s opinion is godly. That can be said for many with differing opinions.
I don’t intend to rehash this entire genocide argument again, but for the last time, I will state my opinion. To me, at least, a genocide suggests a deliberate and systematic effort to destroy a race or group of people. The Holocaust, the Rwandan Genocide, Darfur, Cambodian Genocide - these were all systematic efforts to eliminate without prejudice; the intent was absolutely clear. In the case of the war in Gaza, there was no genocide taking place before Oct 7th. If Hamas agreed to lay down their weapons and release the hostages (full stop), the war would have ended by now. In my opinion, that clearly shows there is no attempt at genocide, because those that are committing genocide and have that intent, wouldn’t just choose to stop at a moment’s notice, if they had genocidal intent.
I believe there are major issues with how Israel is conducting this war, and the strategies they are employing. I have no issue debating that and agreeing that many of their tactics are extreme. But I completely disagree with labeling it a genocide and believe it is cheapening the seriousness of that allegation and meaning.
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Originally Posted by ThePrince
Unfortunately, I'm aware. I used to feel very strongly that people are entitled to their own opinions, and everyone cares and their hearts are in the right place, they just need to be shown the data and reasoned with.
I no longer feel this way. There are lots of people in the world that care more about their egos and whatever stupid brainwashing has become part of their identity, that any amount of concrete information to the contrary doesn't matter. That's when I started believing in naming and shaming more, so that people are told exactly how terrible they are.
To put it extremely bluntly - Language: you, and people like you, are complicit in genocide. You are directly responsible for what is currently happening. Full stop. Without your denial and unwavering willingness to justify the actions of Israel and the IDF, they would not have the support of governments like Canada and the US. Because of your complete unwillingness to look at the data and opinions of experts and countless first-hand accounts explaining to you what is happening, Israel gets carte blanche to destroy the Palestinian people. As PepsiFree said, completely reprehensible.
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This is hilarious. So now me, a random Jewish dude living in Toronto, is responsible for what’s happening in Gaza? Just because I don’t agree with your opinion? What a ridiculous post.
Have you been vocal and protesting about the Uyghurs treatment in China, which is also labeled as a genocide? What pressure have you put on the Canadian government to boycott China products? Are you personally buying China made products and contributing to their economy, which is enabling that genocide? You are directly responsible for what is currently happening. Full stop.
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